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Re: A year of vibes

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Post by joseda-hg »

mjr00 wrote: post #29
kashyapc wrote: post #17

"Because LLMs now not only help me program, I'm starting to rethink my relationship to those machines. I increasingly find it harder not to create parasocial bonds with some of the tools I use. I find this odd and discomforting [...] I have tried to train myself for two years, to think of these models as mere token tumblers, but that reductive view does not work for me any longer. " It's wild to read this bit. Of cou…

It helps a lot if you treat LLMs like a computer program instead of a human. It always confuses me when I see shared chats with prompts and interactions that have proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc. I've never had issues getting results I've wanted with much simpler prompts like (looking at my own history here) "python grpc oneof pick field", "mysql group by mmyy of datetime", "python isinstance literal…

Greetings, thanks, and other pleasantries feel rather pointless.

Punctuation, capitalization, and such less so. I may be misguided, but on the set of questions and answers on the internet, I'd like to believe there is some correlation between proper punctuation and the quality of the answer.

Enough that, on longer prompts, I bother to at least clean up my prompts. (Not so often on one-offs, as you say. I treat it similar to Google: I can depend on context for the LLM to figure out I mean "phone case" instead of "phone vase.")

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by pigpop »

shimman wrote: post #115
pigpop wrote: post #109

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Do you want me to link you directly to the repos and threads on that page, I can if you can't find them.

No, I'm good. I do find it telling they don't list one of the more public LLM adoptions being forced fed to MSFT workers: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115762

Ok, I can see why they wouldn't list a copilot related stuff since that page is just providing a list of public Amp threads, some of which have public repos. Copilot is a different framework so you wouldn't find it on that page. I linked to the Amp threads because you can see both the conversation as well as the repo for those that include one.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by oblio »

adamisom wrote: post #58
shimman wrote: post #52

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Do you have any example repos of these OSS projects? I'm being reminded of this post every time people keep extolling how "productive" LLMs are: https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware... Where is the resulting software?

>Where is the resulting software? Everywhere. Remember Satya Nadella estimating 30% of code at Microsoft was written by AI? That was March . At this point it's ubiquitous—and invisible.

> At this point it's ubiquitous—and invisible.

So, basically UFOs since smartphones put a camera in everyone's pocket.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by theptip »

shimman wrote: post #52
theptip wrote: post #46

A really interesting point that keeps coming up in discussions about LLMs is “what trade-offs need to be re-evaluated” > I also believe that observability is up for grabs again. We now have both the need and opportunity to take advantage of it on a whole new level. Most people were not in a position where they could build their own eBPF programs, but LLMs can One of my big predictions for ‘26 is the industry followin…

Do you have any example repos of these OSS projects? I'm being reminded of this post every time people keep extolling how "productive" LLMs are: https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware... Where is the resulting software?

https://tools.simonwillison.net/

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by klibertp »

logicprog wrote: post #70
Arainach wrote: post #62

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> It always confuses me when I see shared chats with prompts and interactions that have proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc. I've tried and fail to write this in a way that won't come across as snobbish but it is not the intent. It's a matter of standards. Using proper language is how I think. I'm incapable of doing otherwise even out of laziness. Pressing the shift key and the space bar to do it right c…

This is exactly it for me as well. I also communicate with LLMs in full sentences because I often find it more difficult to condense my thoughts into grammatically incorrect conglomerations of words than to just write my thoughts out in full, because it's closer to how I think them — usually in something like the mental form of full sentences. Moreover, the slight extra occasional effort needed to structure what I'm…

Arainach:

> Using proper language is how I think.

logicprog:

> because it's closer to how I think them — usually in something like the mental form of full sentences

Yeah, I'm the same. However, I'm also very aware that not everyone thinks like that.

I'm sensitive to sounds, and most of my thinking has to be vocalized (in the background) to make sense to me. It's incredibly hard for me to read non-Latin scripts, for example, because even if I learned the alphabet, I don't recognize the word easily before piecing together all the letter clusters that need to be spoken specially. (I especially hate the thing in Russian where "o" is either "o" or "a" depending on how many of those are in the word. It slows my reading of Cyrillic script down to a crawl.)

Many people - probably most of them, even - don't need that. Those who think in pictures, for example, have it much easier to solve Sudoku or read foreign scripts. They don't need that much linguistic baggage to think. At the same time, when they write, they often struggle to form coherent sentences above a certain length, because they have to encode their thought process (that can be parallel and 3D) into a 1D sequence of tokens.

I don't know whether this distinction between types of thinking has any scientific basis - I'm using it as a crutch to explain some observable phenomena in human-to-human communication. I think I picked up the notion from some pseudo-scientific books I read as a teen (I was fascinated by "neuro-linguistic programming," which tends to list three distinct types of thinking: visual, auditory, and kinesthetic). It unexpectedly finds applications in human-computer interfaces, too, but LLMs have made it even easier to notice. While "the three NLP modalities" can well be bullshit, there seems to be something that differs between people, and that's where threads like this one seem to come from.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by klibertp »

joseda-hg wrote: post #121
mjr00 wrote: post #29

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It helps a lot if you treat LLMs like a computer program instead of a human. It always confuses me when I see shared chats with prompts and interactions that have proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc. I've never had issues getting results I've wanted with much simpler prompts like (looking at my own history here) "python grpc oneof pick field", "mysql group by mmyy of datetime", "python isinstance literal…

Greetings, thanks, and other pleasantries feel rather pointless. Punctuation, capitalization, and such less so. I may be misguided, but on the set of questions and answers on the internet, I'd like to believe there is some correlation between proper punctuation and the quality of the answer. Enough that, on longer prompts, I bother to at least clean up my prompts. (Not so often on one-offs, as you say. I treat it sim…

> I'd like to believe there is some correlation between proper punctuation and the quality of the answer.

I'd love to believe that, but it's unrealistic in 2025, given all the correctly punctuated slop that brings negative value (wastes time, gives no info) to readers everywhere on the Internet. As much as I hate to admit it, I think this ship has sailed.

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by klibertp »

mjr00 wrote: post #93
deafpolygon wrote: post #92

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Well, seeing as these things will become our AI overlords someday — I find hedging my bets with thank you and please helpful.

Recreating Pascal's Wager but with the AI singularity. We've upgraded to Turbo Pascal's Wager.

It would be nice if the eventual AI overlord was called Borland...

Re: A year of vibes

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Post by alsetmusic »

mjr00 wrote: post #67
Arainach wrote: post #62

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> It always confuses me when I see shared chats with prompts and interactions that have proper capitalization, punctuation, grammar, etc. I've tried and fail to write this in a way that won't come across as snobbish but it is not the intent. It's a matter of standards. Using proper language is how I think. I'm incapable of doing otherwise even out of laziness. Pressing the shift key and the space bar to do it right c…

> It's a matter of standards. [...] when I see someone not doing it that says things to me about who they are as a person. When you're communicating with a person, sure. But the point is this isn't communicating with a person or other sentient being; it's a computer , which I guarantee is not offended by terseness and lack of capitalization. > It's akin to shopping carts in parking lots. No, not returning the shoppin…

I'm reminded of a coworker who spoke to his device with an upward inflection when asking a question. He sounded like he was talking to a human when he prompted, "what time is it?" I told him he could ask in a flat tone because it's a computer and it doesn't care if he's polite. I don't remember how he responded, but I've run into that conversation with someone at least once after him when I was accused of being rude to Alexa.
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