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Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#11
Some examples: machine learning scientists and engineers; quants and (quant) developers.

In either case, you're primarily either a developer or a scientist/researcher. Unless you're at an early stage startup or in a principal/managerial role, chances are your time is better spent deeply focusing on one area rather than both. Either putting the system to production or doing research. A lot of the time, these tasks can be carried out in parallel -- while one person is carrying out research, the other can be improving the system.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#12
post #10

It sounds like the kind of job you really want is going to be a bit of a unicorn. That means those kinds of jobs don't get advertised in job boards and have professional recruiters running around looking for candidates that fit. That in turn means that finding such a job is going to be a lot of networking and shoeleather. You'll probably have to go to a bunch of conferences, talk to people, and make contacts, and hop…

Well put. The standard practice is to hire a scientist and a developer, both with deep expertise, and have them work together. For a successful collaboration, it's obviously desirable for them to have some cross-disciplinary skills or experience. Ultimately, you're still primarily doing either development or research.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#13
I haven't done it myself but know a few people who did. They were all on the academic track and just made it happen and supporting their respective labs as postdocs. With an allowing or aligned professor I think it's very relistic in academia. From there you might find overlapping industry opportunities down the line. And I guess you have to be OK with pushing the envelope yourself.

I don't think it's at all as rare as I see other commenters say. I don't know earth sciences specifically but I'd be surprised if there is a STEM field where a strong SWE expertise isn't an asset you can put to regular use in research.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#14
I keep the two halves separate.

I was a studio recording engineer for about 7 years. I switched to software, and now I work in industrial global logistics. Job attributes I optimized for over the years: insulated from manufactured stress, autonomy, control over working hours, good relationships with my boss and coworkers.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#15
Not easy, but I have a friend who did this by reaching back out to his old professors and colleagues, figuring out what they needed, and ended up doing a swe project in his old lab and built that into a consultancy which does tech partnering for science.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#16
I did move from physics to becoming a SWE. I could put the knowledge I gained doing 3D rendering and GPU compute used for visualization and simulations in my academic jobs on my CV, and get a job as a SWE that way. Later I moved to another job where I could use my physics background to help develop a new sensor.

As for how to market yourself: first you should convert your academic CV to one that is suited for the type of companies you are applying for. Unless you wrote something that ended up in Nature or some other super high profile journal, companies typically don't care about your publications. What they do care about is things like: can you communicate well? How well can you organize things on your own? Do you handle stress well? You did a PhD, so the answer to those things is yes, you just need to write that in your CV in a way a company recruiter/interviewer understands, even if they themselves are not from academia. So you don't have two halves that belong to different resumes, you are just one person and you just translate your resume to the "language" that your prospective job provider speaks.

Finally, your list of skills does not need to be a perfect match for what a company is looking for. Of course, there needs to be some overlap, but as long as it means you can pick up new things quickly, it will be fine. That and being a good fit for the company's culture are the most important things.

I did not start out with a unicorn role, but in I found ways to apply my physics background in my current job.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#18
Make a list of the most interesting companies / areas you want to work in from a scientific perspective

Cold call or get introductions to their R&D leaders (principal researcher /director / VP). While connecting to something they or their company did, ask for a coffee meeting or phone call to learn more about their company and how it works.

Use this to Network network network. At some point a job will appear with interviews. Chances are good it’s with a good manager as they’re the ones taking time to build good teams and talent.

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#19
Allow me to suggest Research Software Engineering - https://society-rse.org/careers/rse-stories/

US Organisation - https://us-rse.org/ UK (but also worldwide) - https://society-rse.org/

There are RSEs who specialise in Earth Science, e.g. https://socrse.github.io/geoscience-sig/

Re: Ask HN: How do I bridge the gap between PhD and SWE experiences?

#20
You are special. There are lots and lots of "software engineers" in the world. Very very few can bring scientific experience and knowledge to the job. I might look for a developer role in a large university project where they need programming skills and scientific rigor. Or a R&D person in a large software company or the government . These kinds of jobs aren't listed on Indeed or Monster. Attend conferences related to your field (don't attend the talks, hang around in the lobby and chat with people). Reach out to professors in your university or your field.

All the Best!

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