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> From a critical perspective, this signals organizational dysfunction. If a company requires 13 people to sign off on a hire, it… implies a fear of making mistakes… The company with 13 rounds was fishing for a reason to say "no”

I realized this at my current job. The decisive interview decision and feedback impressed me. Once on the inside, I could see how the “bias for action” and push for decisiveness permeated the whole company. PRs get approved timely. Meetings push for a conclusion. When someone complains about being stuck, neighbors will offer advice or even a helping hand. I’m so much more productive here than anywhere previously, and I owe it to the culture. They WANT people to succeed. But success comes with risk of failure, so the culture needs to accommodate some failure to allow people to safely take risks.

I’m my interview, I misunderstood the question and presented a solution. The interviewer tried to correct me but I didn’t understand what my mistake was. They encouraged me to just go for it. I eventually realized what they meant, I corrected myself and all of it was a stronger yes signal for them. I push forward, see mistakes, pivot fast, and iterate quickly on feedback.

Interviewers are often unsupportive or looking for a reason to say no. It screams that they’re not really “desparate to hire” and in-fact, may be difficult to work with.

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I said "F-this" 20 years ago, moved to the middle of nowhere, paid cash for my property and live on next to nothing. Best decision ever.

Biggest dream of mine but almost impossible if you're married. Women hate it out it in the middle of nowhere.

The compromise is an exurb. Some of them are in rural areas but still close to the amenities of big cities (such as Costco).

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I said "F-this" 20 years ago, moved to the middle of nowhere, paid cash for my property and live on next to nothing. Best decision ever.

Biggest dream of mine but almost impossible if you're married. Women hate it out it in the middle of nowhere.

Not all women. I'm married and have four children.

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Love how he’s critical of the 13-interview hiring process despite having done all 13 of those interviews. “Nobody drives there anymore. There’s too much traffic.” These companies can do 13 interviews because people will put up with them. The little place I work does phone screen, work sample, final interview, reference check. We can be done in a week. Nobody wants to work with me bad enough to sit through 13 intervie…

Do you also pay 500k?

If we do, nobody told me.

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People generally have different needs. Some want expensive Porsche with their mortgage and food on the table.

Some want luxuries like insulin.

Sure, what's your point though? How much % do you donate out of your salary to fix global poverty?

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My first manager at a big tech co was the CTO of a 500 person company. He was down-leveled to being a first-level manager.

It is quite common for CTOs of smaller companies to be hired as team leaders into bigger companies; nothing wrong with that.

I agree. My point is this is probably unrealistic:

> It might be nicer to go work for startups, acquire experience there as you build everything from scratch across the whole stack, then get hired at a high responsibility position

You mostly don’t get hired into high responsibility positions at big tech from startups, unless you’re acquired by them directly.

There are some notable exceptions obviously, but those generally require you to be some sort of leading domain expert.

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My first manager at a big tech co was the CTO of a 500 person company. He was down-leveled to being a first-level manager.

There is so much interesting to unpack here. He was down-leveled to a first level manager at the company you are at? He accepted this? Why? Do you think he / the new company chose wisely? What ended up happening?

I’m not sure why he accepted it, I never pried too much. It was his first big tech job. It’s very possible he still made more money as a first-level manager, so it might’ve still been a net win for him.

He was a great manager, he’s since moved up the ranks but he’s still at the same big tech co. So from both the company’s and his perspective, I suppose everyone’s happy.

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What matters is being (1) happy with your job (2) having an excellent life-work balance and (3) fair or better compensation. The rest is just fuel to the ego and it means nothing.

If you want to drive projects, do it at your own free time.

You are just a liability to the investors and that's why everyone actually wants AI

Re: How I Left YouTube

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> In the software engineering world, we exist on a ladder. We call this ”Leveling”. Career is a made up game. There are no true levels or ladders in life that you have to chase. Nobody will care or remember what you did or what level you were given enough timespan. Take the bits that you want (money, skills etc) to live life, but don't get too caught up trying to win the game.

+1. Worth saying this is also not at all a software engineering thing, it’s a large organization thing. I found I could easily discuss career leveling with non-technical government employees. In fact they have much more context than my friends in software engineering that never worked for large companies.

True.

Except for the economics part, it is much more fulfilling to work for a smaller company.

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It might be nicer to go work for startups, acquire experience there as you build everything from scratch across the whole stack, then get hired at a high responsibility position. Though most people into entrepreneurship never go back to big corporations usually.

Big tech companies are also notorious for down-leveling if you’re not coming from another big company, so it might not actually be that good of a move.

Once a person where I was tech lead asked to leave because he told me his salary wasn't enough.

I didn't know numbers, but I came to know that he was earning X and as I asked the company for him to stay he got at least 1.7X

Then I learned how much X was and I got said with my own salary

After a while, I've got a new job and they offered 1.7X for me even after I received a 1.5X increase.

First I was happy that they were at least trying to hold me, but then I realized that my base salary was probably just too low LOL

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