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Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#461

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - Napoleon Bonaparte Let all the files get released first. Then show your hacks.

Please share your redacting tricks as loudly as you can, but only the ones that allow retrieving the original text. I'd love Google and the AIs to spout bad censoring tricks as much as possible.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#462
It sets a bad precedent to call things like this hacks.

Firstly, calling this redaction implies that the data is missing, and calling what was done "unredacting" is akin to saying someone "decrypted" a cryptographic hash function.

Nobody unredacted anything here, they merely discovered that it hadn't been redacted, and simply looked like it was redacted.

Calling this a hack places responsibility on the people who discovered the information, rather than on the people were put in charge of handling the redaction and screwed it up.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#463

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It's being "undone with the lamest hack known to mankind." Still technically a hack.

It’s not a hack. It’s known, expected behavior of the program. Adobe has a specific feature to redact. Color filled boxes is not it.

A dictionary definition: "use a computer to gain unauthorized access to data in a system."

This isn't about knowledge or expectations. They didn't use colored boxes to jazz up the presentation, they _intended_ to prevent you from reading it, and now you can, with this, again incredibly _lame_ almost meaningless even-my-five-year-old-could-do this "hack."

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

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Trump's razor: Why attribute something to incompetence when you can attribute it to patriotic sabotage?

There's no patriotism here. That's just part of the cover for seeking power.

Who's seeking power, the poor schmuck who misused their PDF tools?

It seems that my novel "razor" is misunderstood. The article attributes bad redacting to gross incompetence. But what if the person having done this bad redacting is instead doing sabotage with plausible deniability "lol, those damn PDF tools, you never know how they work"?

It makes this story more interesting, and it allows one to see an outline of the future film scripts that will be written about this period. The courageous saboteurs at the dawn of american fascism.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#465

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Crime may go unpunished by this is why statues of limitations exist. The window on some crimes stays open for a very long time.

"Some" is 99% crimes against the state with the occasional bone they throw the peasants to look like they care. Heck, murder probably wouldn't even be unlimited if not for the fact that it thumbs it's nose at the state's monopoly on violence.

That's seems like some rather bleak hyperbole. If the goal of a conversation is to seek some improvement above the status quo then this is a solid impasse.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#466

It sets a bad precedent to call things like this hacks. Firstly, calling this redaction implies that the data is missing, and calling what was done "unredacting" is akin to saying someone "decrypted" a cryptographic hash function. Nobody unredacted anything here, they merely discovered that it hadn't been redacted, and simply looked like it was redacted. Calling this a hack places responsibility on the people who dis…

Thank you, I came here just to verify that no "hack" was involved.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#467

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Since hundreds of people were involved the most likely explanation is incompetence

Once I worked for a company that got a quote in the form of a Word document. Turned out it had history turned on and quotes to competitors could be recovered. There is a lot of incompitence when it comes to file formats.

Similarly, I’ve been sent PDF proposal letters by my customers with redacted pricing from my competitors so I can compare the scope against mine. A simple unflatten reveals the price along with the scope.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#468

Befuddling that this happened again. It’s not the first time - Paul Manafort court filing (U.S., 2019) Manafort’s lawyers filed a PDF where the “redacted” parts were basically black highlighting/boxes over live text. Reporters could recover the hidden text (e.g., via copy/paste). - TSA “Standard Operating Procedures” manual (U.S., 2009) A publicly posted TSA screening document used black rectangles that did not remov…

I want to believe this is malicious compliance.

And here we are again rediscovering Hanlon's Razor.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#469
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> Just the smallest variation in places that have been inked twice will reveal the clear text Sure. But anyone can visually examine this. That means everyone with situational context can directly examine the quality of the redaction. Contrast that with a digital redation. You have to trust the tool works. Or you have to separate the folks with context from the folks with techical competence. (There is the third optio…

> But anyone can visually examine this. Can they? In principle it could be the difference between RGB 0.0,0.0,0.0 and RGB 0.004,0.0,0.0, that could be very difficult to visually see, but an algorithm could unmask the data with some correlation. If you do it digitally and then map the material to black-and-white bitmap, then that you can actually virtually examine. > Contrast that with a digital redation. You have to…

It's probably fine, but certainly better than what's being discussed ITT.

The larger point is that the "usual" redaction involves a tape pen or paint-style ink (dries opaque), IIRC, then photocopy, because the blocked out area is opaque. Scanner is probably no different than photocopy for these purposes.

Re: Some Epstein file redactions are being undone

#470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to believe this is malicious compliance.

And here we are again rediscovering Hanlon's Razor.

It wouldn't be malicious though. Well, it's malicious towards the Trump administration, but not towards the people. Quite the opposite.
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