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Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#11

Post by exogen » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 5:47 PM UTC

I realize this is a different project, but since it looks similar: installing Janus was the worst decision I ever made while looking to improve my Vim experience.

It actually made Vim worse, sometimes by just slowing things down, other times because of the lack of quality control in the bundled plugins. One plugin actually caused data loss many times – it completely froze the editor when a certain syntax pattern was typed. All with just the default Janus settings.

To that effect, I hope quality control in spf13 is really, really good.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#12

Post by jeremyjh » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 5:57 PM UTC

jlgreco wrote: post #3

I have said it before here when people have discussed packaging up Vim stuff, and I stick by it: I really don't see this taking off. Switching to using this does not appeal to me, an existing Vim user, and I think I am not an exception. If this does something new that I like I'll gladly throw that part into my setup, but there really isn't any reason at all that I can see for wanting to use this. I don't think this i…

I think I agree to an extent. I am glad that I pieced my vim setup together because I know exactly what each part of it does, but the fact is I selected a lot of the parts because they were included in a distribution I read about or a blog article I read. Still, I did not add them until I knew I wanted them and I learned them one at a time.

Interesting you mention oh-my-zsh. I DO use that, but that distribution I think encourages you to turn on and learn the plugins as you actually need them - they are not turned on by default. So I've gone through a very similar process with them.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#13

Post by olalonde » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 5:58 PM UTC

exogen wrote: post #11

I realize this is a different project, but since it looks similar: installing Janus was the worst decision I ever made while looking to improve my Vim experience. It actually made Vim worse , sometimes by just slowing things down, other times because of the lack of quality control in the bundled plugins. One plugin actually caused data loss many times – it completely froze the editor when a certain syntax pattern was…

I think you are an exception. I can't get anything done with vanilla Vim (no smart indentation for instance) and install Janus anytime I need to use Vim on a new shell.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#14

Post by DiabloD3 » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:05 PM UTC

I don't get why this is loaded down with useless plugins... if you're using ctrlp/command-t, you don't need nerdtree. Vundle isn't as good as pathogen, neocomplcache isn't as good as supertab + clang_complete, and it lacks gundo, rooter, ultinips, and maybe other things.

https://github.com/Diablo-D3/dot_vim

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#15

Post by wahnfrieden » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:11 PM UTC

mcrittenden wrote: post #9

andyl wrote: post #5

Like everything except vundle. (I use tpope's pathogen) Pre-packaged vim on github is a very nice way to distribute.

I'm curious as to why you (or anyone) would prefer pathogen to vundle? Vundle just seems like pathogen except with less manual work.

Vundle is strictly better unless you automate your software updates and want to be able to update your vim plugins without having to launch vim to do so. Pretty tenuous but maybe some sysadmin-inclined people really prefer this.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#16

Post by wahnfrieden » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:19 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #14

I don't get why this is loaded down with useless plugins... if you're using ctrlp/command-t, you don't need nerdtree. Vundle isn't as good as pathogen, neocomplcache isn't as good as supertab + clang_complete, and it lacks gundo, rooter, ultinips, and maybe other things. https://github.com/Diablo-D3/dot_vim

How is vundle worse?

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#17

Post by neeee » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:21 PM UTC

jlgreco wrote: post #3

I have said it before here when people have discussed packaging up Vim stuff, and I stick by it: I really don't see this taking off. Switching to using this does not appeal to me, an existing Vim user, and I think I am not an exception. If this does something new that I like I'll gladly throw that part into my setup, but there really isn't any reason at all that I can see for wanting to use this. I don't think this i…

Have you looked at prezto[1]? It encourages forking and in-place editing strongly, and everything is a module.

[1]https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#18

Post by tammer » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:22 PM UTC

jlgreco wrote: post #3

I have said it before here when people have discussed packaging up Vim stuff, and I stick by it: I really don't see this taking off. Switching to using this does not appeal to me, an existing Vim user, and I think I am not an exception. If this does something new that I like I'll gladly throw that part into my setup, but there really isn't any reason at all that I can see for wanting to use this. I don't think this i…

Here here. The only vim-related thing new users need to know about is vimtutor.

These tools are designed to be complex so as to not limit the user. If you throw everything at them at once there's no way to understand how everything fits together.

I see the same problem in suggesting that people start learning zsh by installing oh-my-zsh.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#19

Post by jlgreco » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:27 PM UTC

neeee wrote: post #17

jlgreco wrote: post #3

I have said it before here when people have discussed packaging up Vim stuff, and I stick by it: I really don't see this taking off. Switching to using this does not appeal to me, an existing Vim user, and I think I am not an exception. If this does something new that I like I'll gladly throw that part into my setup, but there really isn't any reason at all that I can see for wanting to use this. I don't think this i…

Have you looked at prezto[1]? It encourages forking and in-place editing strongly, and everything is a module. [1] https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto

I'll check that out, thanks. My zsh setup has been pretty stagnant for a while now, probably about time I gave it some love.

Re: The Ultimate Vim Distribution

#20

Post by DiabloD3 » Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 6:29 PM UTC

wahnfrieden wrote: post #16

DiabloD3 wrote: post #14

I don't get why this is loaded down with useless plugins... if you're using ctrlp/command-t, you don't need nerdtree. Vundle isn't as good as pathogen, neocomplcache isn't as good as supertab + clang_complete, and it lacks gundo, rooter, ultinips, and maybe other things. https://github.com/Diablo-D3/dot_vim

How is vundle worse?

I dunno, I had problems trying to make it do something, but I forget what. I almost want to say it was git submodule related, but it was like a year or more ago.