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iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gruber’s take on the USB-C stuff has been hilarious. All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C, which was objectively better even if you’re an Apple partisan (given that I could carry a single charging cable for my Mac and Samsung phone, but not for my Mac and iPhone), he was going on and on about how the EU was killing creativity by forcing Apple…

> All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C Is there any evidence that "Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C"? Apple worked to create the USB-C standard, was among the first to widely deploy it. Apple fighting against a precedent where the EU would force them to switch everything to USB-C is strictly di…

>Apple worked to create the USB-C standard, was among the first to widely deploy it.

And that is exactly Gruber's take. Apple created USB-C standard and gave it to the USB committee for free.

And it is not even half true. But it spread across the internet as if it was verified.

The other one being Apple AirPod sold at cost, and suggest Apple invented big.SMALL CPU core.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#102
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's as black and white as you suggest. He just wrote about Japan's implementation of a similar set of laws rather favourably - the theme is that Japan's implementation looks very much like a genuine attempt at protecting users and benefitting end users and developers. While I don't agree with what a lot of what Gruber has to say. A point I do agree with is that the DMA is being sold (by Margrethe Vesta…

I just read the post about Japan. The only example he gave where the MSCA is better than the DMA is: > E.g. apps distributed outside the App Store in Japan still require age ratings. There’s no such requirement in the EU. Most of his description of what Japan does better is simply “mutual respect”. Which reinforces the idea that this isn’t about the actual practical differences but about ego. Apple hates how the EU f…

He has been anti EU / UK or EUR for quite some time even during Jony Ive era. Regardless of regulations.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#103
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All through that fiasco, where Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C Is there any evidence that "Apple was going through all sorts of twists and turns to avoid switching to USB-C"? Apple worked to create the USB-C standard, was among the first to widely deploy it. Apple fighting against a precedent where the EU would force them to switch everything to USB-C is strictly di…

>Apple worked to create the USB-C standard, was among the first to widely deploy it. And that is exactly Gruber's take. Apple created USB-C standard and gave it to the USB committee for free. And it is not even half true. But it spread across the internet as if it was verified. The other one being Apple AirPod sold at cost, and suggest Apple invented big.SMALL CPU core.

Of course you could actually try to link to some context on this.

Apple certainly didn't create USB-C, but was one of the biggest contributors.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#104
Are we learning the wrong lessons? Integrated always works better than modular components. Here, Apple is being asked to enable their versions of software for third party devices, which do not have the same hardware assumptions as Apple did. (Apple will not release the exact hardware spec for airpods anyway). This means the newer version will be designed modularly, with some tradeoffs to enable the "same" kind of access to third party. Then there is a caveat that it there is even a bit of experience change from 1st party to third party access, it will be complained about and investigated. so, the way fwd is designing with third party in mind, and that almost always leads to bloat and substandard experience for end user.

Probably better would have been just simpler access, even if not the integrated experience like. But that would lead to complains from third party manufacturers.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#105

Are we learning the wrong lessons? Integrated always works better than modular components. Here, Apple is being asked to enable their versions of software for third party devices, which do not have the same hardware assumptions as Apple did. (Apple will not release the exact hardware spec for airpods anyway). This means the newer version will be designed modularly, with some tradeoffs to enable the "same" kind of acc…

The lesson being learned is that Apple could’ve avoided all this trouble if they had used or produced standards for the connection between their components. The whole concept of a gatekeeper was created in response to Apple-likes being difficult and simply hostile to interop opportunities even though they’re defacto the phone company and there is no way around them.

So if the solution is not optimal, that circles back to Apple who are responsible for coming up with a solution that works. Then choosing to prioritise platform lock-in is a business strategy, leaving regulation the only recourse.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#106

Are we learning the wrong lessons? Integrated always works better than modular components. Here, Apple is being asked to enable their versions of software for third party devices, which do not have the same hardware assumptions as Apple did. (Apple will not release the exact hardware spec for airpods anyway). This means the newer version will be designed modularly, with some tradeoffs to enable the "same" kind of acc…

Big disagree that integrated always works better than modular writ large, but in any case maybe they could just hire this guy to do it? https://github.com/kavishdevar/librepods

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#107
post #105

Are we learning the wrong lessons? Integrated always works better than modular components. Here, Apple is being asked to enable their versions of software for third party devices, which do not have the same hardware assumptions as Apple did. (Apple will not release the exact hardware spec for airpods anyway). This means the newer version will be designed modularly, with some tradeoffs to enable the "same" kind of acc…

The lesson being learned is that Apple could’ve avoided all this trouble if they had used or produced standards for the connection between their components. The whole concept of a gatekeeper was created in response to Apple-likes being difficult and simply hostile to interop opportunities even though they’re defacto the phone company and there is no way around them. So if the solution is not optimal, that circles bac…

A company making an integrated experience would inevitably provide a better experience/performance than a company asked to build for 100s of devices with different spec. That Apple did not want to open it up is a separate discussion.

My contention is this: expecting a third party provider to be able to provide the same experience as the first party is an impractical goal. Even pushing companies towards that means a lot of second order effects where everyone ends up like Intel or Windows for that matter. We already have android on that level.

You can have a reasonable requirement where Apple should not be able to block other companies from providing similar services based on an iphone. But clearly the directive here is that Apple's competing products should not be better based on better integration, which can only go in one direction. Apple degrades its own products to comply. Yes, competition wins, but consumers lose. In this case specifically - consumers who would want to choose Apple, better experiences would not be able to simply because Apple cannot ensure the level of software/hardware alignment as it works today if the same software is written with modular hardware in mind.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#108
post #106

Are we learning the wrong lessons? Integrated always works better than modular components. Here, Apple is being asked to enable their versions of software for third party devices, which do not have the same hardware assumptions as Apple did. (Apple will not release the exact hardware spec for airpods anyway). This means the newer version will be designed modularly, with some tradeoffs to enable the "same" kind of acc…

Big disagree that integrated always works better than modular writ large, but in any case maybe they could just hire this guy to do it? https://github.com/kavishdevar/librepods

Its mostly true when the integrating company cares for the user experience. Which apple clearly does.

The example you shared is the opposite. I am imagining a kernel today written in a manner that airpods would be able to use it to extract the max out of it. Now, it has to support 10 other third party pods, so at the minimum, kernel would be more generalized.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#109
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Three months ago a commenter here on HN claimed to me that this will be bad for Apple users: > There is simply no good way to make the API public while maintaining the performance and quality expectations that Apple consumers have. If the third party device doesn’t work people will blame Apple even though it’s not their fault. And, competition probably can’t build for it anyway: > It’s impossible to build Apple Silic…

Apple can't perform well with audio on Apple Silicon, either. In 2025 macos is the only OS with audio cracking appearing with CPU load. Even Linux is better

Yeah, this is a regression since macOS Tahoe. Amazing that it still exists after several patch releases, is audio working not a basic test case for Apple?

I’ve found it to be worst when using Xcode / simulator and having headphones on for music.

sudo killall coreaudiod seems to fix it for a while.

Re: iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

#110
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's as black and white as you suggest. He just wrote about Japan's implementation of a similar set of laws rather favourably - the theme is that Japan's implementation looks very much like a genuine attempt at protecting users and benefitting end users and developers. While I don't agree with what a lot of what Gruber has to say. A point I do agree with is that the DMA is being sold (by Margrethe Vesta…

I just read the post about Japan. The only example he gave where the MSCA is better than the DMA is: > E.g. apps distributed outside the App Store in Japan still require age ratings. There’s no such requirement in the EU. Most of his description of what Japan does better is simply “mutual respect”. Which reinforces the idea that this isn’t about the actual practical differences but about ego. Apple hates how the EU f…

>I just read the post about Japan.

Great, now let's stack what you've written in both of your comments directly against what Gruber has written, and not what an imaginary strawman wrote.

You wrote:

1. I have no doubt that Gruber will find reasons why the EU is bad and regulation is bad.

2. The EU has already gone through the hard work of drafting the law, working with a non-cooperative Apple, and then actually seeing it implemented and the practical issues that arise.

3. Most of his description of what Japan does better is simply “mutual respect”.

Addressing point 1 (again):

I wrote words to the effect of (they're just above): Gruber's writing is not as black and white as you assert and then I made reference to the Japan regulation article as an example where Gruber again makes nuanced arguments towards regulated changes.

That article does not make a blanket statement that regulation is bad, and Gruber points to a long-standing idea that he has which neither the EU nor Japan have regulated, which he believes should be. He's also stated (repeatedly) that he's in favour of link-outs and other commonly requested changes to the app store terms, and believe's Apple are too slow to change on these.

So does Gruber believe all regulation is bad as you have asserted: no. His views are demonstrably in favour of well-minded regulation.

Addressing point 2: The belief that the EU bears the brunt of regulation teething, and that's why it goes well in other regions.

Maybe you skipped the part where Gruber points to a 2021 regulation requirement from Japan, which Apple in fact did not provide resistance to, but worked with the regulatory authority to achieve their goal - then Schiller himself (the overseer of the App store at the time) came out and spoke in public with supportive language. That is an example Gruber provided, however there are plenty more examples of the app store changing policies long before the EU took notice. The EU gets all the attention here because they seem to be uniquely incapable of foreseeing unintended consequences.

So is the EU's leading the source of friction. No and they're not even first in many respects.

Addressing point 3: Gruber makes only immaterial "mutual respect" comparisons between DMA/MSCA.

I'm guessing you skimmed this bit too - Gruber talks at length to MSCA and DMA's approach to regulation, stating that MSCA's changes prioritise privacy and security in contrast to the DMA, and practical aspects such as user safety (that's a wee bit more than "mutual respect"). Secondly that users are not presented with onerous choice screens (see end note 1) which is making reference to the EU's requirement that browser selection screens must be repeatedly shown when the user's default browser is Safari (but not if it's any other browser), Japan doesn't take this approach to a browser selection screen.

So is it true that Gruber makes immaterial comparisons between the two: again no.

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