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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by baobun »

vntok wrote: post #75
breakyerself wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. We can always imagine an excuse to avoid dealing with the obvious reality. I don't think it's productive though.

Yet Sweden did it too ( https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/11/11/why-swe... ) and they quote these defense-related reasons. Are they lying, do you believe that Sweden of all countries is under Trump's direct influence re: wind aversion?

> do you believe that Sweden of all countries is under Trump's direct influence re: wind aversion?

It looks increasingly like a US vassal state for every year so that part wouldn't be so surprising.

Besides, the article you posted does not support your claim that Sweden blocked all offshore wind construction. On the contrary it refutes it by mentioning some greenlit offshore wind construction projects.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by _aavaa_ »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #146
dylan604 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like "national security" has become a phrase that can be used to circumvent many laws By has become, you mean always has been, right?

Since 2001 at least.

Since WWII and the bomb. See Bomb Power by Garry Wills

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by nailer »

dboreham wrote: post #33
linuxhansl wrote: post #29

What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions. Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

> we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage That occurred a long time ago with the destruction of USAID and arbitrary firing of large numbers of federal workers.

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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

bayindirh wrote: post #126
vablings wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuclear is insane levels of expensive likely due to overregulation. It is important for base load power and overnight power and should always be the backing of the grid frequency. Total loss of grid frequency is much more difficult to recover from with synthetic inertia. A healthy grid should have all of the following - Nuclear base load that keeps the grid stable and pick up from low solar - Gas plants for surge pow…

> overregulation. Americans love to remove regulation to make things cheaper (and to enable capitalistic monopolies, but that's a different matter), then cry when people die (or worse). Some things needs to be regulated, esp. if mistakes are costly to the planet and/or people on the said planet. So yes, nuclear should be regulated, and even overregulated to keep it safe. We have seen what Boeing has become when it's…

> Americans love to remove regulation to make things cheaper

Americans have no broad idea how anything works. Decades of attacks on our education system have left us civically illiterate (and for a lot of people, actually illiterate too.).

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by nailer »

breakyerself wrote: post #24
linuxftw wrote: post #20

To be fair, there could absolutely be national security issues. One example might be undersea (or even surface) navigation. If the coastline is littered with windmills off shore, this might create a negative of submarine navigation routes. That's clearly information we don't want shared with adversaries. There might be undersea classified cables. There might be classified sonar stations. It might be hard to detect ad…

Sure. We can always imagine an excuse to avoid dealing with the obvious reality. I don't think it's productive though.

A conspiracy is not the obvious reality.

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Post by lawlessone »

vablings wrote: post #121
gardncl wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US deploys nuclear energy at over $10/watt meanwhile solar and wind are deployed around $2/watt (for levelized cost of electricity) including battery storage which means they are deployed for roughly the same cost as natural gas (so, direct competitors). Don't let comments like this fool you, nuclear is far from being competitive with natural gas. Even in countries like south korea that can deploy nuclear the cheapes…

Nuclear is insane levels of expensive likely due to overregulation. It is important for base load power and overnight power and should always be the backing of the grid frequency. Total loss of grid frequency is much more difficult to recover from with synthetic inertia. A healthy grid should have all of the following - Nuclear base load that keeps the grid stable and pick up from low solar - Gas plants for surge pow…

>Nuclear is insane levels of expensive likely due to overregulation.

Would to prefer underregulating it?

How would you find the exact amount of correct regulation?

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by dragonwriter »

monero-xmr wrote: post #123
doctorpangloss wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

energy development is complex, but it cannot be your idea, which boils down to, "whatever is cheapest," especially for government policy. it would be cheapest to not use energy at all, which is the exact opposite of the mercenary POV you are talking about, without having to use the word environment at all.

It would be cheapest, and 100% in our control, to construct coal plants. Coal is abundant. China builds insane amounts of coal plants to this day. That would provide bountiful cheap energy. But we don't do this. So all else being equal, I would suggest we reorient towards other types of renewable energy, especially nuclear, if we are longer worried about price

> It would be cheapest, and 100% in our control, to construct coal plants. Coal is abundant. China builds insane amounts of coal plants to this day. That would provide bountiful cheap energy.

“Cheap” only if you exclude indirect costs due to emissions (both localized effects and less-localized.)

> we reorient towards other types of renewable energy, especially nuclear

nuclear is not renewable (it is low carbon, a feature that is also true of renewables in general, but it is not, itself, a renewable.)

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

unethical_ban wrote: post #68
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Pollutant-wise, are you insinuating that solar and wind and battery manufacturing is more polluting overall than the extraction and burning of fossil fuels they replace?

Depends on the regulations where the processes are happening

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by wnevets »

linuxhansl wrote: post #29

What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions. Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

> What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage.

That began almost the moment this administration came into power.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by KaiserPro »

catigula wrote: post #25

It's interesting that people are very incredulous of there being a legitimate defense reason for this when we have had unilateral unanswered drone incursions all over Europe and the US. There's obviously some sort of arms race occurring and some of it is public. The world in on the precipice of many technologies advancing at an all too rapid pace. The idea that technology will become tightly regulated isn't inconceiv…

> unanswered drone incursions all over Europe

But thats nothing to do with turbines. Its not like russia are hiding behind wind turbines launching drones between them.

They are just sitting there, well within radar range launching away. they also have AIS on, so its not like they are hiding.

Also if you look at where they are: https://openinframap.org/#8.13/51.48/1.67 there is plenty of overlap for existing radar to overlap.

Also they are the perfect platform for extending your radar network. they are tall, well connected and widely spaced.

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