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Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by vatsachak »

ck2 wrote: post #30

remember when people first started experiencing TSA and there were massive protests at how obscene and violating it all was, then uncovering how useless they were as fake security theater and they were going to get it all shut down TWENTY-FIVE YEARS NOW so good luck getting rid of flock where people don't even know it's happening Not sure if people realize that cellphone locations, several layers in the firmware and…

That's why it's good to use GrapheneOS*. In the future, hopefully the pinebook project succeeds

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by esseph »

embedding-shape wrote: post #68
kklisura wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And let me share this reply by Garry Tan, CEO of YC, after someone made a comment that Flock might be _pretty dystopian_ [1][2]: > You're thinking Chinese surveillance > US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims [1] https://x.com/neurajordan/status/1963303084609966288 [2] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

I've never heard about this Tan guy before, I don't keep up with politics/corporatism anymore, but is that possibly sarcasm? It sure feels like it to me. But again, I don't know this person, but if I came across that by itself I feel like it's pretty clearly sarcastic, as Twitter tends to be. Maybe I'm just tone deaf myself to how tone deaf others could be?

This is the CEO of the startup incubator handwaving away concerns in the name of money.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by esseph »

simlevesque wrote: post #34
j3s wrote: post #28

flock is the most heinous reflection of the ills of our current socioeconomic structure. absolutely nobody should be okay with mass surveillance, much less mass surveillance enabled by a private company.

It's what happens when we rank private property over human lives. We deserve this.

No, we do not "deserve this". The universe has no concept of "deserve".

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by jandrese »

embedding-shape wrote: post #59
jandrese wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, but if you do that you need to staff a help line with people who can say "turn the box over and look at the sticker, no the sticker with the numbers on it, it's white with black letters and says PASSWORD in a big font, no the password isn't literally PASSWORD, it's the line below that with the strange letters, yes, to type that one you need to hold the shift key and press 3..." Remember that ISPs often have peop…

Yes, which costs money, which is exactly my original point. It's not because "Oh I'm so hassled because customers are dumb", it's "No, hiring people to do support would cost us money, which we don't want". > Remember that ISPs often have people who come to your home to hook stuff up. I can't recall a single time a technician wasn't required to come to my flat/house to install a new router. I'm based in Spain, maybe i…

Last time I moved I opted for the "self install" kit, which was fine because I'm technical and the previous owners already had the service so there was nothing that needed to be done except hooking up the pre-configured modem. Saved me $200 in truck roll fees.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by vatsachak »

You could kinda already do this with all kinds of security cameras. There are only so many people who are computer proficient, and that number is lower than the number of camera installers.

There have been cases of people getting into baby monitors and yelling at the baby.

But as a tech company, this is extremely irresponsible

BTW, Benn Jordan is also known as The Flashbulb, an ambient legend

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by SamInTheShell »

cm2187 wrote: post #69

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You miss the point. This is a law enforcement tool. The average American doesn’t want a surveillance state and that’s literally what’s happening. The legal aspect of it is not in question here.

Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. Anyone deploying or involved with this technology should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by gruez »

varispeed wrote: post #53
j3s wrote: post #28

flock is the most heinous reflection of the ills of our current socioeconomic structure. absolutely nobody should be okay with mass surveillance, much less mass surveillance enabled by a private company.

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>This is clear fascism, but people are too afraid to admit. We have sleep walked into it.

>With such surveillance, administration can [...]

Have you missed all the cries of "fascism" back in 2016/2017? The problem isn't "people are too afraid to admit". It's that "wolf!" was cried too many times and people tuned it out. Ironically this invocation "fascism" is arguably also crying wolf. From wikipedia:

>Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Is an ANPR network terrible for privacy? Yes, obviously. Is it authoritarian? Maybe[1]. Is everything vaguely authoritarian "fascism"? No.

[1] Consider cell phones. They're terrible for privacy, but nobody would seriously consider them "authoritarian".

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by rfl890 »

vatsachak wrote: post #71
ck2 wrote: post #30

remember when people first started experiencing TSA and there were massive protests at how obscene and violating it all was, then uncovering how useless they were as fake security theater and they were going to get it all shut down TWENTY-FIVE YEARS NOW so good luck getting rid of flock where people don't even know it's happening Not sure if people realize that cellphone locations, several layers in the firmware and…

That's why it's good to use GrapheneOS*. In the future, hopefully the pinebook project succeeds

You mean GrapheneOS?
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