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Which means a net negative for humanity.

Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

The camera did not kill painting. There are tons and tons of painters still, lots of them use digital means like a tablet these days but it still absolutely exists.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Simply sharing metadata, related artists, genres, etc would create a pretty interesting ecosystem[1]. [1]: https://everynoise.com/

Every Noise was created by a former Spotify employee.

He's a former Spotify employee now, but he was a Spotify employee when he made it. I think it hasn't been updated since he lost his data access.

I have a lot of respect for Glenn McDonald for spam fighting all these years on Spotify, but we can go better than PCA for mapping music these days. Any neural embedding model is going to produce more meaningful axes. In fact Spotify had an intern who did just that, just before the launch of Discover Weekly: Sander Dieleman. Along with Aäron van den Oord he was snapped up by Deepmind after their Spotify internship. Those two guys were (and are) wildly good at what they do.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

The camera did not kill painting. And how does comparing a camera to an LLM even make sense?

They're conflating the LLM to advancement by comparing LLM:Camera, when really cameras and paintings are two different things

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

The camera did not kill painting. And how does comparing a camera to an LLM even make sense?

Painting (portraits for example) as a profession largely disappeared, while art based on painting evolved (impressionism, cubism, etc) due to the camera.

My point is that photography is essentially a simulacra of reality, yet it unexpectedly created its own art form and influenced existing ones. So will the use of LLMs for generation

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #24

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Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

The camera did not kill painting. There are tons and tons of painters still, lots of them use digital means like a tablet these days but it still absolutely exists.

> lots of them use digital means like a tablet these days but it still absolutely exists.

Yes, because art evolves over time.

As it very likely will with generative art.

And even with that evolution, people still use paint, and people will still use instruments and make music the same ways we always have...

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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> I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Spotify licenses the music in their library under specific terms. They don't own it. They can't just decide to give out freely on their own terms. > Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way. I think HN often underestimates the breadth of casual piracy among the general public who want to avoid paying $10/month for a service. The…

I doubt such a tool would be allowed in the major mobile app stores. The library of music isn't the product.

Stremio is on the App Store and can be used with a debrid service.

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I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way.

I don't think music producer would agree to that. Spotify would likely lose contracts even if they simply opted for silence.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Convenience won. How many people are actually going to download a torrent client, navigate through some massive torrent file collection to check the files of the artists they want to download so they can upload mp3s to their phone over a USB cable like it's 2004 again, just so they can avoid paying Spotify?

A sufficiently seeded torrent is a high latency static CDN. You just need a client that can make use of it. I'm not sure if anyone will be interested in making one however, you can already get a patched Spotify APK from the usual mobile piracy spaces that's good enough.

Wasn't popcorn-time basically video streaming backed by torrent ? Why can't it be the same for audio ?

The metadata is 200 GB which can be easily indexed and could be made searchable, then you download only what you need

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way.

Anna's archive offers to share their data for AI training (in exchange for donations), so that's certainly something the record labels want control of. https://annas-archive.org/llm

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Which means a net negative for humanity.

Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

Arguably, the camera evolved painting because it expanded the idea of what it could be – that it could be more than the illustration of/"illusion" of reality.

I think and have always thought the exact same thing will happen with generative AI.

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