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Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

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Today is the worst day of my life. We live in a country near Cambodia, and as you know, it is kind of a dream land for scammers. Today, it happened to my family.

My mother received a call from a scammer. They told her she needed to process some tax issue and prove that her bank account had enough money. In just a few minutes, they tricked her and manipulated her into entering banking OTP codes. All of her savings are now gone.

What makes this more dramatic is that last year I architected and helped a government department in my country build a big system. This system can track money flows across the whole country, to know where money comes from. I was very proud of this. It is the biggest achievement of my life. Even if nobody knows I built it, that was fine.

But now I cannot protect my own mother. I cannot protect my family. My system can track the money, but it is almost impossible to get it back.

When I went to the police, just in one small area, there were more than 20 cases in a single day. A hardworking student sent all their family's money, thinking it was for university fees or going abroad. An old factory worker lost all her retirement savings. So many people lost everything. That is when I realized that the system I built, the system I was proud of, is not enough.

All my own savings are gone too. (My mother was scammed into borrowing a lot of money and sending it to the scammers, and now it is my responsibility.) I had plans for the next few years: to do open source work, to write books about math and programming, to create a dream Go web framework, to give back to the community. Now all of that is gone.

But this is not only about me. I can still start over. I am strong enough to rebuild my life. But who will protect people like my mother? Or a poor student? Or a factory worker? Or so many others?

I can build systems. I can build distributed systems that scale to a whole country. But for what? What should I do?

I have been reading Hacker News for 12 to 13 years, sometimes posting from other accounts. I am writing here now to ask for advice and help from this community.

If anyone has experience with similar cases, or ideas on what can realistically be done, or even advice on how to move forward after something like this, I would really appreciate it. I will keep this account semi-private, because with the details above, I think some engineers from my country may recognize me.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#2
I think this problem should be solved politically/legally first, technology can easily track money as you know.

How are scammers able to operate bank accounts without leaving any traces, and why don’t the police and banks have the power to reverse transactions that are obviously fraudulent.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#3
There are only 3 countries neighboring Cambodia. It could help to mention the country as different countries have different guarantees.

The thing you can do right now is to try and get hold of someone in the bank that can freeze the flows, for the possibility of returning the money. Otherwise, not much can be done.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#4
Unfortunately I don't have any advice for recovering the money, as that's just so far outside of my knowledge field.

This may not help, but you have my utmost sympathy. An elderly lady that I know recently lost her husband and her only son, and got scammed out of much of her savings by people exploiting her horrible circumstances. She had to come out of retirement and go back to work because of it.

I think crimes like this are among the most evil you can commit to people. I really wish that law enforcement organizations would chase these down and prosecute as aggressively as they would if there had been a murder or something committed. They are fully capable of doing so when it's something that they care enough about, but they just don't seem to care about people like your mother and my friend. It breaks my heart and I really wish I could do something about it as well.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#5
post #2

I think this problem should be solved politically/legally first, technology can easily track money as you know. How are scammers able to operate bank accounts without leaving any traces, and why don’t the police and banks have the power to reverse transactions that are obviously fraudulent.

The problem is corruption, and that's not easy to fix.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#7
First off, I'm sorry. I went down this road with my godmother, $300k still unrecovered, despite lots of information documented.

How did the money actually leave her account once they had access? Was it wired?

Unfortunately the solution for you right now is to focus on rebuilding and acceptance. This is a massive problem, you aren't alone, and it's a reminder that there are shitty people in this world. There needs to be an alert and approval mechanism for outbound wires that older people can be strongly encouraged to set up. Sons and daughters can be notified if there's a massive outbound wire pending and intervene -- scammers are often posing as these people.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

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post #3

There are only 3 countries neighboring Cambodia. It could help to mention the country as different countries have different guarantees. The thing you can do right now is to try and get hold of someone in the bank that can freeze the flows, for the possibility of returning the money. Otherwise, not much can be done.

It's always going to be near impossible to get money back out of Cambodia, which is the implication in the post. You can trivially figure out where the author of the post lives too, but I'm not sure there's much usable advice here.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

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First off, I'm sorry. I went down this road with my godmother, $300k still unrecovered, despite lots of information documented. How did the money actually leave her account once they had access? Was it wired? Unfortunately the solution for you right now is to focus on rebuilding and acceptance. This is a massive problem, you aren't alone, and it's a reminder that there are shitty people in this world. There needs to…

> FBI's IC3 and the FTC.

OP is not in the U.S.

Re: Ask HN: My mother was scammed out of all her savings. What should I do?

#10
I hate to be the one that says it, but there is only one way to handle scammers like this. They need to be hunted down and put down. All of them and anyone who is involved.

Truth be told that scamming is becoming easier and easier. The problem is that most countries not only allow it, it is part of their GDP. Look at the number of scammers that originate in India. Everyone there knows who they are, there are numerous YouTube channels souly dedicated to exposing them and reporting them to the authorities, yet they still remain active.

Until a more brutal and direct response is used, these organizations and countries will continue to operate. If the attacks Trump has used on drug boats has taught us anything is that a direct response is the best response when dealing with the underworld.

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