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Re: I'm just having fun

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the whole thing without seeing it. But I also fail to see how you marry "pretentious" with not wanting to be taken seriously. So maybe it's me.

If you purposely go into your phone settings and turn off auto-capitalization (which is what the kids do, since they're all typing on their phones), isn't it the very definition of pretentiousness? You're going into extra trouble to signify you're part of a clique, while feigning "laid-backness" and "i dont even care bro". But you do care. You care so much to project your appearance of being cool and that you don't e…

You're describing a 15 second effort that is performed at most once per phone purchase, and at its least once in the owner's entire history of iOS backup/restore processes. Less total effort than our comments took to write. You're then reading a whole lot into that.

Re: I'm just having fun

#202

We need more people in this world willing to do their own thing, even if others might find it intimidating or silly. The important thing is to have fun and learn things. Compiler hacking is just as good as any other hobby, even if it's done in good jest. Sometimes, these things become real businesses. Not that this should be the intent of this, but it shows that what some consider silly, others will pay good money fo…

Josef Pieper wrote a book called "Leisure: the Basis of Culture"[0] - published in 1948 - in which he discusses the meaning of leisure, which is not what we mean by it today, and criticizes the "bourgeois world of total labor" as a spiritually, intellectually, and culturally destructive force.

Today, we think of "leisure" as merely free time from work or recreation, something largely done to "recharge" so that we can go back to work (in other words: modern "leisure" is for the sake of work). This is not the original meaning. Indeed, etymologically, the word "school" comes from σχολή ("skholē"), which means "leisure", but with the understanding that it involves something like learned discussion or whatever. (Difficult to imagine, given how hostile modern schooling is, resembling more of a factory than a place of learning.) The purpose of work was to enable leisure. We labored in order to have leisure.

What's also interesting is that unlike us, who think of "leisure" in terms of work (that is, we think of it as a negation of work, "not-working"), the Greeks viewed it in exactly the opposite way. The word for "work" is ἀσχολίᾱ ("askholíā"), which is the absence of leisure. The understanding held for most of history and explains why we call the liberal arts liberal: it freed a man to be able to pursue truth effectively, and was contrasted with the servile arts, that is, everything with a practical aim like a trade or a craft.

This difference demonstrates an important shift and betrays the vulgar or nihilistic underbelly of our modern culture. Work is never for its own sake. It is always aimed at something other than itself (praxis and associated poiesis). This distinguishes it from something like theory (theoria) which is concerned with truth for its own sake.

So what do we work for? Work for its own sake is nihilistic, a kind of passing of the metaphysical buck, an activity pursued to avoid facing the question of what we live for. Work pursued merely to pay for sustenance - full stop - is vulgar and lacks meaning. Sustenance is important, but is that all you are, a beast that slurps food from a trough? Even here, only in human beings is food elevated into feast, into meal, a celebration and a social practice that incorporates food; it is not merely nutritive. Are you merely a consumerist who works to buy more crap, foolishly believing that ultimate joy will be found in the pointless chase for them?

Ask yourself: whom or what do you serve? Everyone aims at something. What are the choices of your life aiming at?

[0] https://a.co/d/eCd0cJX

Re: I'm just having fun

#203

When did this writing with no capitalization start to become a thing? I'm seeing it too often now. It's pretentious crap and quickly leads to me thinking that the writer doesn't want to be taken seriously, so why read it?

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Re: I'm just having fun

#204

When did this writing with no capitalization start to become a thing? I'm seeing it too often now. It's pretentious crap and quickly leads to me thinking that the writer doesn't want to be taken seriously, so why read it?

It is something people born 2000 and later do to try to sound cool and detached. It's really no more complicated than that.

Re: I'm just having fun

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I joined a compiler team out of college because it seemed like fun and I'd never worked on compilers before. I went from C# to embedded engineering and reading clock and wiring diagrams because there was a job that needed doing and I was the one there at the time. I went from embedded programming to running my own startup based on Javascript and React (technologies I'd never used) because I had an idea I wanted to sh…

Yes, but that often breaks down once you have bills to pay and need steady income. Real life tends to complicate things. The risk-averse path is a valid choice too, and often the only sensible one.

There's a video I once saw of Jim Carrey talking about his dad, who, if I recall correctly, was originally a jazz musician, but decided it was too risky and opted to become an accountant instead.

And then, having given up on his dreams to follow the risk-averse path, he got fired.

Jim's words on the subject were like "well, he gave up on his dreams and still failed, so that's why I decided to pursue acting".

Re: I'm just having fun

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how we all used to talk on IRC, well before Gen Z came online :)

Yes however I doubt the author was an IRC user. For chats people generay do use lowercase cause it's easier but this article is also about using lowercase outside of chats.

This user I think got it from Tumblr (firmly millennial).

Gen Z I would think default to title case because that’s what smart phones produce when not wrangled.

Re: I'm just having fun

#207

Not addressing the content directly but a note on the formatting: I find it extremely hard to read sentences by people that refuse to use normal formatting/grammar. Why is there no capitalisation? I've seen this before and it's just confusing and jarring. Clearly this is done on purpose but I don't know why an author would be so anti-reader.

The other one that I find jarring is putting a zero in front of the year. I down vote it every time I see it.

You're going to look silly in 8000 years!

Re: I'm just having fun

#208

When did this writing with no capitalization start to become a thing? I'm seeing it too often now. It's pretentious crap and quickly leads to me thinking that the writer doesn't want to be taken seriously, so why read it?

In the 1990s, this was called "whispering" and had pockets in BBS/CompuServe/AOL/usenet discussions. Also why I still think of all caps as shouting and can't be convinced otherwise (looking at Microsoft and a few other companies and their designers that keep going through phases insisting all caps is a useful flavor in UI design and not shouting for attention that they don't need).

Re: I'm just having fun

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

same. also, it has it's own voice. a little less serious. I can correctly capitalize if I wish, but I like I like the less formal take on text.

Interesting, I think for the older generation me included at the age of 45, it can be jarring to miss the visual marker of the capital letter in the beginning of a sentence. I have been online for 30 years and have certainly written my fair share of poor grammar, missing punctuation and probably missing capitalisation as well. I think the surprise comes from this being an article on the internet and seems like a desi…

To me, writing in full, formally correct sentences, being careful to always use correct punctuation, starts to feel a little pretentious or tryhard in some contexts.

It doesn't feel too much like that here on HN. But on reddit, I use less formal structure most of the time, and that feels natural to me.

Re: I'm just having fun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel uncomfortable? Why do you think anyone is trying to make you feel uncomfortable?

The author quite literally mentions that part of their motivation to do things is to make people want them to stop, not to mention the deliberate and conscious choice to write the article in lowercase. It's also natural to be uncomfortable because of the various references to sexual fetishes throughout the article.

> to make people want them to stop

in the sense of "writing a brainfuck compiler in ed," not in making them so uncomfortable they beg for release. plus, "feminization" is not a fetish, at least in the sense of making rustc say "i love you;" that feels incredibly uncharitable.

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