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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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That’s also a valid reason to be against it!

I disagree, this is the worst reason to be against it. It's choosing horses over trains. Manual labor over engines, mail over e-mail. It's basically purely egotistical, placing something as fleeting as your current job over the progress of humanity.

It’s incredibly naive to believe that all technological advancement contributes to the progress of humanity.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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I don't find it that surprising. The creatives that are against generative AI aren't against it only because it produces slop. They are against it because it uses past human creative labor, without permission or compensation, to generate profit for the companies building the models which they do not redistribute to the authors of that creative labor. They are also against it due to environmental impact. In that view,…

Except it uses existing art transformatively, which means that even under our absurd, dystopian IP laws, it’s not exploitation. There isn’t a single artist out there who wouldn’t be running afoul of copyright law if that wasn’t the case. It’s been insane to me to watch the “creative class”, long styled as the renegade and anti-authoritarian heart of society, transform into hardline IP law cheerleaders overnight as so…

Spot on! All the more, it irks me that the reasons they give against it are, essentially, pretexts. I wish they could just outright say they're against it because it threatens their livelyhoods. I guess the optics aren't as good but maybe we could then address the actual problem.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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The AI witch hunt claims its first victim, apparently over some placeholder textures. https://english.elpais.com/culture/2025-07-19/the-low-cost-c... > Sandfall Interactive further clarifies that there are no generative AI-created assets in the game. When the first AI tools became available in 2022, some members of the team briefly experimented with them to generate temporary placeholder textures. Upon release, insta…

The award category is essentially racist. Nobody should who care created it. A man, a woman, a H1B worker, an AI, an animal.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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I disagree, this is the worst reason to be against it. It's choosing horses over trains. Manual labor over engines, mail over e-mail. It's basically purely egotistical, placing something as fleeting as your current job over the progress of humanity.

It’s incredibly naive to believe that all technological advancement contributes to the progress of humanity.

And where did this this straw man come from? I'm only saying AI, engines and the internet contributed/will contribute to the the progress of humanity. I never said anything about all technological advancement.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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I dislike LLM-slop too, but this is clearly a situation where enforcement of a policy is impossible. If those two new winners were using LLMs to generate code or media, we wouldn't know and neither would awards committee. This can only end up as a tool to selectively ban contenders, devaluing the whole award idea in the process.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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> representatives of Sandfall Interactive agreed that no gen AI was used in the development of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Even if all the AI-generated content had been replaced before release, this would still be a lie.

That's a dumb requirement for something purporting to be a general indie game award. They should rename to the Digital Amish game awards or something.

I wholeheartedly agree, but it's their award so they get to make up the rules.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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> The use of generative AI for art is being rightfully criticised because it steals from artists. Generative AI for source code learns from developers - who mostly publish their source with licenses that allow this. This reasoning is invalid. If AI is doing nothing but simply "learning from" like a human, then there is no "stealing from artists" either. A person is allowed to learn from copyright content and create w…

Everyone in this thread keeps treating human learning and art the same as clearly automated statistical processes with massive tech backing. Analogy: the common area had grass for grazing which local animals could freely use. Therefore, it's no problem that megacorp has come along and created a massive machine which cuts down all the trees and grass which they then sell to local farmers. After all, those resources we…

I'm not sure why you are replying to me. I made no such treatment of them.

The analogy isn't really helpful either. It's trivially obvious that they are different things without the analogy, and the details of how they are different are far too complex for it to help with.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Everyone in this thread keeps treating human learning and art the same as clearly automated statistical processes with massive tech backing. Analogy: the common area had grass for grazing which local animals could freely use. Therefore, it's no problem that megacorp has come along and created a massive machine which cuts down all the trees and grass which they then sell to local farmers. After all, those resources we…

Isn't this expected of late stage capitalism?

Isn't what to be expected? And define late stage capitalism.
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