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Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by szundi »

thegrim000 wrote: post #34
stego-tech wrote: post #6

The post is mainly just a CTA against further internet centralization and government control of core infrastructure, which is fine. We need more of these, and we need more examples of their harms for folks to draw on. HN often gets distilled down to a singular cause - EU's Chat Control, Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine, a regional outage of a public cloud provider - but generalized topics like these aren't re…

>> Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine "In February 2022, two days after Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine requested that the American aerospace company SpaceX activate their Starlink satellite internet service in the country, to replace internet and communication networks degraded or destroyed during the war.[2][3][4] Starlink has since been used by Ukrainian civilians, government and military.[3][5] The sa…

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Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by noja »

thegrim000 wrote: post #34
stego-tech wrote: post #6

The post is mainly just a CTA against further internet centralization and government control of core infrastructure, which is fine. We need more of these, and we need more examples of their harms for folks to draw on. HN often gets distilled down to a singular cause - EU's Chat Control, Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine, a regional outage of a public cloud provider - but generalized topics like these aren't re…

>> Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine "In February 2022, two days after Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine requested that the American aerospace company SpaceX activate their Starlink satellite internet service in the country, to replace internet and communication networks degraded or destroyed during the war.[2][3][4] Starlink has since been used by Ukrainian civilians, government and military.[3][5] The sa…

“ According to three people familiar with the command, Musk told a senior engineer at the California offices of SpaceX, the Musk venture that controls Starlink, to cut coverage in areas including Kherson, a strategic region north of the Black Sea that Ukraine was trying to reclaim.” — https://www.reuters.com/investigations/musk-ordered-shutdown...

Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by tchalla »

rconti wrote: post #10
stego-tech wrote: post #6

The post is mainly just a CTA against further internet centralization and government control of core infrastructure, which is fine. We need more of these, and we need more examples of their harms for folks to draw on. HN often gets distilled down to a singular cause - EU's Chat Control, Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine, a regional outage of a public cloud provider - but generalized topics like these aren't re…

== Call To Action

Thanks. I don’t know why people use obscure abbreviations and acronyms.

Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by decremental »

try_the_bass wrote: post #37
jedimastert wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Starlink-style connectivity Note that one of the higher-profile deliberate internet shutdowns was Starlink itself shutting down internet connectivity in Ukraine.

Notably absent from TFA... Probably because it's not actually a truthful characterization of what happened! I know it's popular to find every possible reason to bag on Musk, but you don't need to resort to disinformation to do it.

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Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by Hackbraten »

ursAxZA wrote: post #39
dylan604 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in a state actor, or in a private operator. multiple satellite operators are coming on line. what are the odds all of them coordinate to shut down in one region invalidating using the other providers as fail over?

I might be mistaken, but as far as I know there is currently no other LEO broadband provider that is meaningfully comparable at a global scale. Starlink is often treated as the reference point not because it is perfect or fully resilient, but because there is no second network at a similar scale that could realistically serve as a failover today. If we imagine a hypothetical future where three mature operators exist,…

== Low Earth Orbit

Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

#48

Post by tonyedgecombe »

modeless wrote: post #7

I thought this would be advocating "chaos monkey" style intentional shutdown to test institutions for resiliency in an outage situation. Might not be a bad idea. Maybe once every four years on leap day or something.

It would leave most developed countries in chaos, people would die because of it.

Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by throw93039r88 »

thegrim000 wrote: post #34
stego-tech wrote: post #6

The post is mainly just a CTA against further internet centralization and government control of core infrastructure, which is fine. We need more of these, and we need more examples of their harms for folks to draw on. HN often gets distilled down to a singular cause - EU's Chat Control, Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine, a regional outage of a public cloud provider - but generalized topics like these aren't re…

>> Elon's shutdown of Starlink over Ukraine "In February 2022, two days after Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine requested that the American aerospace company SpaceX activate their Starlink satellite internet service in the country, to replace internet and communication networks degraded or destroyed during the war.[2][3][4] Starlink has since been used by Ukrainian civilians, government and military.[3][5] The sa…

I am sure it is against Terms of Service to use Starlink to bomb people!

Last time starlink was used to sank tanker near Turkey. It was miracle tanker was empty, and there was no ecological catastrophe!

Re: Deliberate Internet Shutdowns

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Post by andruby »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #47
tchalla wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I don’t know why people use obscure abbreviations and acronyms.

They think it makes them sound knowledgable.

I don't think that is necessarily the case. If you use certain words all the time, shortening them makes sense. They might just forget which abbreviations are and aren't common knowledge. You wouldn't get mad if people use PC, CPU, ATM and RAM, right? Even SSD would be fine on HN, but it probably wouldn't be fine outside HN. (neither would using "HN")
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