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Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

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Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#11
This is rather silly. I don't even see why this is even an issue - this blog post has zero value for anyone reading.

This "Kevin" is probably some HR figure, posting on MicrosoftCareers.com. His response was an one-sided, canned response.

And Derrick is someone who started his career at Microsoft, left the company, and went to work on a startup. According to his website, he's not proud enough about it to announce that he worked at Microsoft, but he's happy to bash some content on Microsoft's jobs website.

The two sides have clear bias, except that the former (Kevin) has made his associations clear, and the latter has not. It's hard to take someone seriously when they purposefully hide their past associations that puts a strong bias on an opinion piece.

If OP really was just communicating to "Kevin", then maybe instead of making a blog post, he should just follow up directly with Kevin, instead of whining on a public blog and twisting his words by snipping off a large part of Kevin's response with ellipsis.

Svbtle really needs to die off, especially with these kind of lame posts that pander to startup circlejerk. As soon I see the Svbtle logo I close my browser tab because it's going to be inane crap like this.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#12
post #2

Blog post quotes from a Kevin at Microsoft, making him look like a naive cheerleader: "On the other hand, choosing Microsoft to launch your career provides nothing but upside. Don’t believe the hype. I admit I’m biased, but for tech jobs, Microsoft is your best bet." But it omits Kevin's six reasons why it's nothing but upside, in between these two paras. Good practice would be to show via ellipsis that something was…

Perhaps they edited the article after your comment, but I see an ellipsis.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#13

I started my career at Microsoft and don't regret it for a second, but I cannot imagine I'll ever go back. The reasons for going to Microsoft cited in the original article at http://microsoftjobsblog.com/blog/dear-jobsblog-why-should-i... are silly. I could direct some snark at each bullet point, but they're sufficiently ridiculous that instead I'll give my reasons for not regretting my four years and two days of bei…

Personally, I would hire a wandering homeless person before a microserf. At least there's a _chance_ that that the latter might not steal my lunch and knife me.

P.S. The "cool" projects at Microsoft are the ones that take place in the air-conditioned buildings. Not that you'll need it, since it's rainy and cold 24/7. Enjoy!

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all of those items (except the last one) are good reasons to work for other large tech companies. They would seem to translate perfectly to working at Amazon, as well.

as a side note -- I have several friends who work at both Microsoft and Amazon as I live here in Seattle. My Microsoft friends are A LOT happier -- they have a much more balanced schedule, are not expected to be available on a moments notice and feel much more relaxed at their job. The friends I know at Amazon are very rarely off at a normal time, have a lot more pressure from the higher ups and have to regularly tak…

From what I hear it is almost entirely based on your team. If you are on a team that is working on a product that is forward facing or requires constant uptime (AWS, eCommerce platform.. etc) then you can expect to share responsibility for critical bugs or catastrophic failure. Kindle dev- not so much.

As far as I know, this isn't as bad as everyone tends to think. I kind of accept it along with the engineering culture- I prefer to be responsible for my projects rather than wait til 9am to put out fires. But I may be biased as a young, single, and so very poor student considering working for Amazon. If anyone has a better idea of the work/life balance at Amazon, I'd be grateful to hear more.

aaronbrethorst hit the nail on the head- there is a definite benefit to starting at a large software company. For me and my friends whom are looking for our first FTE positions, startups are daunting due to impostor syndrome. In my case, I don't know if I am skilled enough to jump right into a niche startup and be relied upon so heavily to ship. Amazon, Microsoft, etc provide a great place to learn from very intelligent people in the industry.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#15
OP here.

I've spent some time at Microsoft, and have only good things to say about my experience.

My qualm isn't with the company, but rather, the content, approach and flippant tone of Kevin's post. Having previously worked there, that's not something I'd expect from the company, which is disappointing.

(cross posted this back to http://blog.derrickko.com/microsoft-and-startups)

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#16
For engineers who are interested in personal and professional growth it's ultimately about optimizing for learning. A business in which a lot rests on your shoulders is an excellent environment to grow and learn, at least for a certain type of people. Others enjoy the pace and the perceived predictability/stability of larger teams.

If your priorities are to grow yourself as fast as humanly possible (remember Derek Sivers and "There is no speed limit.") for a certain planned period of time and you're ok with all of the sacrifices that the choice will entail (no free time, no weekends, infinitesimal personal life, continuous ups and downs), then I believe you're better off on your own, surrounded by very smart people working in very smart and fast-paced teams. I do believe that the overhead of working at a large firm where as a new developer you might spend 50% of your schedule in meetings is absolutely devastating to your career, unless your career is to steadily climb the management chain, in which case you'll probably do fine and don't need this kind of advice. I've had a very similar experience to aaronbrethorst at MS and definitely gained a lot from the ride.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#17
There are many reasons to start your career at Microsoft.

Microsoft is an excellent company to start your career at if you have a limited educational background and little which distinguishes yourself, but you are willing to put in the work to overcome this.

Salary and pay for graduates from tier 1 schools is higher across the board for new graduates. But with 1-2 years at Microsoft, many recruiters and businessmen will put you on par with anyone else in the industry of similar education and background. Microsoft is a chance to replace your local liberal arts school CS degree beneath a solid pedigree.

Also, during those 1-2 years you will be given a great education in the industry. In my experience, Microsoft provides plenty of interesting problems and it also provides its new hires with the time to solve them. If have gaps in your education, the people at Microsoft will provide you the chance to fill them. A startup will provide a more feet to the fire experience, which may not be compatible with your disposition.

Finally, Microsoft provides you safe entrance into the industry. If you have a family, if you are writing on the side, if you are unsure that you've chosen the right path Microsoft will provide you a solid paycheck and free relocation. A startup will provide very little free time in comparison.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#18
Welcome to dialectics, brought to you by our friends at Ancient Western Culture.

There are certainly happy people working at startups, and happy people working at large companies like Microsoft. Certainly Microsoft's JobsBlog is going to promote the benefits of working at Microsoft. It's up to you to decide if his points resonate with you.

It's worth going to the original post and reading the six bullet points. They're not dishonest, and they don't misrepresent the company.

If "you will launch code on day 1" is more important to you than "our benefits are the best in the business", you may want to work for a startup. For many 22 year olds, this is the case.

Re: Why should I start my career at Microsoft, rather than a startup?

#20
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a side note -- I have several friends who work at both Microsoft and Amazon as I live here in Seattle. My Microsoft friends are A LOT happier -- they have a much more balanced schedule, are not expected to be available on a moments notice and feel much more relaxed at their job. The friends I know at Amazon are very rarely off at a normal time, have a lot more pressure from the higher ups and have to regularly tak…

From what I hear it is almost entirely based on your team. If you are on a team that is working on a product that is forward facing or requires constant uptime (AWS, eCommerce platform.. etc) then you can expect to share responsibility for critical bugs or catastrophic failure. Kindle dev- not so much. As far as I know, this isn't as bad as everyone tends to think. I kind of accept it along with the engineering cultu…

You might, as you get older, learn to prevent the fires in the first place :)
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