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Non-Euclidean geometry (geometric axioms in which one postulate is rejected such that the 3 angles of a triangle are not exactly 180 degrees) was considered a meaningless word game and fundamental mistruth. Later, non-Euclidean geometry was actually essential to modern physics. It's intellectually sketchy to judge future value by the present.
In the 1700s, perhaps. But we have come a long way since that.
Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Non-Euclidean geometry (geometric axioms in which one postulate is rejected such that the 3 angles of a triangle are not exactly 180 degrees) was considered a meaningless word game and fundamental mistruth. Later, non-Euclidean geometry was actually essential to modern physics. It's intellectually sketchy to judge future value by the present.
I imagine that elliptic geometry had some use before modern physics.
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Non-Euclidean geometry (geometric axioms in which one postulate is rejected such that the 3 angles of a triangle are not exactly 180 degrees) was considered a meaningless word game and fundamental mistruth. Later, non-Euclidean geometry was actually essential to modern physics. It's intellectually sketchy to judge future value by the present.
Might as well fund someone researching whether quantum theory run on little gnomes, if there is no serious path to verification after 50 years, why not quantum gnomes?
Progress is weird.
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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It isn't completely implausible that a future civilisation could perform the experiments to gather that data, somehow; but it is hard to envisage how we do it here on Earth. Your implicit point is a good one. Is it sensible to have a huge chunk of the entire theoretical physics community working endlessly on a theory that could well end up being basically useless? Probably not.
There is not a "huge chunk" of the theoretical physics community working on string theory, and their never was. For one, it is far less common a topic of research now then it was earlier when it was more popular, but even then "huge" was really "a lot of universities had a grant for string theory investigation because it looked promising". It mostly hasn't worked out and now people are moving on to other things. The…
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Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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Yeah maybe. My flatmate of some years was doing a PhD in string theory at UT Austin along the lines of "if you cut down the spatial dimensions to just 1D" but he was a mathematician, not really a physicist and was ok with that if it produced interesting mathematics. For real physical things like wiring the lighting system I'd do it because he wasn't so good with that. I think he went into string research because he w…
Except this is how electrons actually go, and it has real testable consequences. The question I'm aware of (because it related to my degree in nanotechnology) was: are metals conductive at different dimensionalities? Because at the nanoscale, you in fact can have 1D, 2D and 3D metals. 3D metals are bulk solids - like we're familiar with. 2D metals are planes of single (or very few) atoms. 1D metals are lines - think…
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
#96People often say that the problem with string theory is that it doesn't make any prediction, but that's not quite right: the problem is that it can make almost any prediction you want it to make. It is really less of a "theory" in its own right and more of a mathematical framework for constructing theories. One day some unusual observation will come along from somewhere, and that will be the loose end that allows som…
Then people managed to calculate those predictions, and they were wrong. So the people working that theory up relaxed some constraints and tried again, and again, and again. So today it's that framework that you can use to write any theory you want.
That original theory was a good theory. Very compelling and just a small adjustment away from mainstream physics. The current framework is just not a good framework, it's incredibly hard to write any theory in it, understand what somebody else created, and calculate the predictions of the theories you create.
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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#98String theory has always seemed intuitively wrong to me. From Wikipedia: >In theories of particle physics based on string theory, the characteristic length scale of strings is assumed to be on the order of the Planck length, or 10E−35 meters Yet electrons repel each other over distances of many meters by I think the virtual exchange of photons. How on earth would that work? How does your photo string know to head to…
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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No, its subsidizing a handful of people sitting at whiteboards at the expense of different camps of people sitting at whiteboards and the result is nefarious because you dont see what could have been if we minimized string theory funding after a decade or two of poor performance instead of going all in on it for five decades. We gave up decades of potentially actually figuring something new out by going harder on str…
Again, I'll accept your premise for the sake of debate (which I welcome, and sincerely thank you for doing so respectfully). Let me try to rephrase where I am coming from. I'm going to accept there is a good argument that some science funding should be redirected towards theoretical physicists pursuing alternate approaches. 1. The focus towards this matter in online media circles is vastly disproportionate to the rel…
Re: Approaching 50 Years of String Theory
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You're being somewhat unfairly voted down, it's a legitimate questions because the popular media so grossly misrepresents what string theory is, especially in their visuals. It's hard to visualise in 3D, but if you cut down the spatial dimensions to just 1D (a line), then theories like string theory just turn the infinitely thin mathematical line into a tube. You can picture a tube that vibrates, or has waves in its…
Even so I don't get how electrons a meter apart interact through that stuff, as opposed to the electrical fields which spread out through space and so interact with other electrons as featured in quantum field theory which is what physicists use to actually calculate physical results, as opposed to string theory which fails to calculate actual physical results. "if you cut down the spatial dimensions to just 1D" does…
In particular your model of electric fields isn't very good. An electric field's flux around a volume reveals the presence of a particle in that volume. That's not because the field, a bunch of vectors in space, "happens" to integrate to something nonzero if there's a particle in that volume: it's because in some sense the presence of a field with a nonzero flux and the presence of a charged particle are the same thing; the particle is the existence of a divergence in the field within that volume.
Moreover in QFT (and this part is handwavey as I only learned enough to vaguely understand this, but it's better than nothing) the presence of the "field" ends up looking like the sum of what you get if you integrate over every possible way of a emitting or receiving a photon at that point; the accumulated integrals destructively interfere in such a way as to produce a value which reflects where the particles are. So very roughly idea of a field existing at a point and having a "value" is like saying: there are a bunch of things out there that I (a charged particle) can detect by exchanging photons, and the accumulated effect, when you consider all the different quantum superpositions of ways of doing that, is a single vector which induces a force on me. Other fields add up to more complicated objects than vectors.
Once you look at things like that, there should be no objection to how strings and electrons might interact. Whatever's going on at that string level averages out over larger timespans to just look like electron field. Not dissimilar from how all the individual charges in an atom average out to look like a single charge (but are perhaps detectable if you get up really close, in dipole and higher moments, or in how the atom deforms / reacts to nearby charges).
It might help to be aware of the concept of a topological defect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_defect; there's a great explainer article somewhere that I can't seem to find) as a reductive picture of what a particle "is". I've heard this doesn't work for fermions for some technical reason, but in any case it's very useful as an illustration of the sort of thing that a particle "can be": a vortex in a material can act like a particle and even exhibit attractive/repulsive forces. So I picture the string theory model as answering the question: what kind of substrate could produce vortexes and other "defects" that act like the particles we see? Dunno if that's accurate but it seems like a natural question to me, anyway.