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Re: Startup work-life balance

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Poe'd? If you had a fulfilling life, you wouldn't feel the need to accuse other people of being secretly unhappy.

The person simply sounds defensive, trying to convince themselves that not having fun was fun. So the reply made a good point.

Defensive, yes, but defensive to whom — herself or "most people" who think her high school years were terrible?

Imagine: You have a different notion of happiness than most others, so people constantly tell you that you're not happy — even though you are. Naturally, you'll get defensive over time, but then those same people will see that as a sign that you're in fact not happy. Catch 22.

In other words: stop being condescending.

Re: Startup work-life balance

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People don't exist in a vacuum, though. Unlike when he was a teenager, his workaholic attitude affects others in a workplace environment. It affects the company culture and puts pressure on people to work more to keep up. It makes otherwise good workers feel guilty that they don't work more.

Thank you for this. I have a life and other priorities, and I find it difficult to work in an environment where everyone sticks around the office until 8pm. It's difficult to see how our behavior affects others, and how important it is to be a model of balance.

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> Sure then they may not be the happy at a maximum, but since they haven't found such a maximum yet their hapiness on a relative scale is 100%. Interesting concept. That may have been true 50 years ago when it was not really possible to discover if other people were happier than your personal 100% level. Unfortunately, due to the internet, TV and Hollywood, it's extremely easy to discover there are tons of people out…

True, it may no longer be easy to do that passively - it now requires active action, like refusing to watch TV. (maybe that's why more and more people are complaining about not being happy - it's no longer the default!) Still I believe there's some interest in doing that. If you are interested in maximizing your happiness, refusing the "You are not as happy as you could be" is required. It can be hard, especially if…

> True, it may no longer be easy to do that passively - it now requires active action, like refusing to watch TV.

For sure. I don't have a TV personally, but it's interesting to go to a developing country where they are desperately trying to get things like TVs, iPhones and shiny cars. By definition that's an increase in standard of living, so of course they want it.

> I wouldn't say they are happier than you : they seem to be, but they have their own problems.

That's the big one. Hollywood is an excellent marketing dept., but it's not even close to the truth. Funny how you never see a blockbuster movie about the millions living in America below the poverty line, or those that have lost their houses etc.

Once again, when you're on the other side of the world watching Jennifer Anniston, how can you know it's not reality?

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You referenced and tried to refute the article, but how do you know Musk is happy? How do you know he has found his personal balance? From what little I know about his personal life -- and it may be unrepresentative, again -- you can argue his personal life is on the rocks. He might also be perfectly happy. But what's the evidence? I don't see any evidence his story supports you point at all.

You're right -- we don't know. My interpretation of the article was that the AUTHOR seemed to imply that that was unbalanced, and my point in bringing it up was that it didn't seem right for the author to critique what is a balanced/not-balanced life, since it's different for everyone.

I see your point on that - interesting overall take on how you can't judge from the outside.

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True, it may no longer be easy to do that passively - it now requires active action, like refusing to watch TV. (maybe that's why more and more people are complaining about not being happy - it's no longer the default!) Still I believe there's some interest in doing that. If you are interested in maximizing your happiness, refusing the "You are not as happy as you could be" is required. It can be hard, especially if…

> True, it may no longer be easy to do that passively - it now requires active action, like refusing to watch TV. For sure. I don't have a TV personally, but it's interesting to go to a developing country where they are desperately trying to get things like TVs, iPhones and shiny cars. By definition that's an increase in standard of living, so of course they want it. > I wouldn't say they are happier than you : they…

You can't, unless you are either a) not trusting anything foreign (I don't know how this is linked to happiness, but I'm more and more interested in what's called parochialism- I wonder if on a large scale it usually makes people more happy or less - if it has some protective power) or b) you've had the experience for yourself and noticed happiness was not exactly correlated with standard of living.

But I guess the majority will fall in the trap and be miserable since they can't know it's not reality.

[I also made the choice of cutting TV a long time ago, only recently introducing a fraction of old series I watched before and new shows that enjoy high rating, watched on the computer - it was an experiment that I started when BSG was first airing.]

At the moment, I believe "standard of living" in a low amount can raise happiness, but that it's highly addictive and suffers from hugely decreasing marginal returns - so you have to control the increase very carefully.

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Wait, why is Elon Musk being used as example of someone who doesn't need vacations? We don't know what his personal life is like, in comparison to all we know about his professional life. There is no data. Digging into his personal life is widely considered off limits. Reporting is not done on it. If I were, for example, to assert that Musk has had two divorces in 2.5 years and that this may in fact reflect that his…

Two divorces in 2.5 years. And since divorces arent "same day service" type things I'm pretty sure the dude is "unhappy" with his private life.

Let the ones who never took a bad decision in an area they are not very familiar with (like personal life when you're all about work) cast him the first stones

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I didn't see the life part of her work life balance. I always imagined that work life balance meant you had things that you wanted to do in your personal time, and you had the time to do them. Not 'I love working so much that my balance is all work and little / no life'.

Good point. Working on becoming a better blogger... My situation these days is that I have a spouse, no kids. I didn't realize it at the time, but choosing a spouse to share a lot of the work-life with you is really important. We probably don't spend as much time together as other couples, but it works well, because we share the same kind of life. He works at a startup, and I have LaunchBit. So on a given weekend, we…

Not everyone will agree but I do feel that getting together for a work session like this can be a social thing, even though it is still work. You are likely a little more relaxed about the work at this time too.

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Confucius said, "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." If you don't work, you don't have to worry about work-life balance.

What's missing is the admission that many people find out which job(s) they love once they've lived most of their lives and have attained a different perspective of what's important.

I think many people also find their ideal jobs right away though.

Re: Startup work-life balance

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I think that this framework isn't applicable to most because people who sincerely enjoy working are anomalous and in the minority. Even people who "love" their jobs do so not because the job is "lovable" in and of itself but because it is the lesser of all evils and affords them more freedom/time/benefits/money/other happiness-promoting factor, not because the actual labor is enjoyable in and of itself.

If most people were given a chance, they wouldn't elect to work. For most people, work is an obligation that they except reluctantly. Given this, "work-life balance" then becomes a unidirectional effort to drive down the amount of work and the number of hours down to zero, not to achieve any kind of real equilibrium.

Additionally, because hours worked is the most common and widely used method used to determine the amount of work one has done, any attempt to reduce that amount of work is most likely going to be done by reducing hours works. Hours are the quintessential "work measurement": if you want more "balance," you're going to try to work less hours.

I'm sorry, but most people don't like working, and they expend effort attempting to work less. Because of the widely accepted idea that hours worked equates to amount worked, the way that they do so is by trying to reduce their hours.

In the words of Micael Scott, "I would rather live jobless, on a beach somewhere, off the money from a large inheritance, than have to work in any one of these crapholes."

That's the mentality that most people have, and that's why they want to work fewer hours.

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