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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

losteric wrote: post #26
jjice wrote: post #6

Feels like a low sample size, but I'm not statistician or doctor. That said, almost everyone I know that consumes THC has no qualms driving while doing it, and many of them also at work. It's a huge peeve of mine.

Wow, pretty much no one I know drives under any influence regardless what they use. I wonder how many of these people were under the influence of alcohol and other substances.

There is a very common sentiment among weed users that it doesnt really count as far as driving goes. Stoners will be repulsed and outraged by drunk drivers and then think nothing about going for a "blunt ride"

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by pixl97 »

cubefox wrote: post #30

Could this mean that THC is more dangerous for vehicle safety than alcohol?

With this information alone, no we cannot tell.

For example if we took random samples of the population and tested them for marijuana usage, what percentage would test positive?

Next, this study is only talking about marijuana testing, how many of the same group also tested positive for alcohol (or other impairing drugs). Lets make up fake numbers and say 60% of total fatalities had alcohol or other impairing drugs and the overlap between them and marijuana use was 80% then marijuana is rather insignificant.

We have to have all the details so we don't fall into a base rate fallacy.

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Post by dragonwriter »

cubefox wrote: post #30

Could this mean that THC is more dangerous for vehicle safety than alcohol?

Well, its the wrong universe of analysis to make that claim and there is no comparative measure of alcohol exposure in the same universe of analysis so it also fails to provide a basis for any alcohol/THC comparison, so, no?

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Post by ck2 »

I live in a "working poor" neighborhood

50% of the people on this street get stoned before driving to work, every single day

dope isn't even legal here and even if it was DUI is wildly illegal

We can only cure this if we get serious about penalties because we can't undo murder and injuries

How about first time warning, second time weekend in jail, third time week in jail, fourth time month in jail, fifth time year in prison

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by swimorsinka »

epistasis wrote: post #7

Based on the headline, I was guessing it was any amount of positivity, and may be close to the population level, but it's actually impairment levels of THC: > In a review of 246 deceased drivers, 41.9% tested positive for active THC in their blood, with an average level of 30.7 ng/mL — far exceeding most state impairment limits. Since COVID in CA, it feels like driving has become far more dangerous with much more law…

We've seen the same uptick in reckless driving in CO since Covid. Reddit Denver complains about it all the time. I think it's happening everywhere, and it's not clear why.

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Post by SecretDreams »

Benjammer wrote: post #20
epistasis wrote: post #7

Based on the headline, I was guessing it was any amount of positivity, and may be close to the population level, but it's actually impairment levels of THC: > In a review of 246 deceased drivers, 41.9% tested positive for active THC in their blood, with an average level of 30.7 ng/mL — far exceeding most state impairment limits. Since COVID in CA, it feels like driving has become far more dangerous with much more law…

>Since COVID in CA, it feels like driving has become far more dangerous with much more lawlessness regarding excessive speeding and running red lights, going into the left lane to turn right in front of stopped cars, all sorts of weird things NYC has had the same effect since COVID, and over the last year or two it's gotten to the point where every single light at every busy intersection in Manhattan you get 2-3 cars…

Could we verify this against data? Surely if people are trying way worse post covid, that would show up compared to pre covid data by way of accident, fatality, and ticket issuances, e.g.?

To the OP, I'm not sure I buy into it being tied to THC which seems to be the implication. Canada isn't seeing this trend, afaik.

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Post by gretch »

epistasis wrote: post #7

Based on the headline, I was guessing it was any amount of positivity, and may be close to the population level, but it's actually impairment levels of THC: > In a review of 246 deceased drivers, 41.9% tested positive for active THC in their blood, with an average level of 30.7 ng/mL — far exceeding most state impairment limits. Since COVID in CA, it feels like driving has become far more dangerous with much more law…

The running red lights thing is crazy. I think at it's height, I would maybe see 3 people do this in a single 20 minute drive.

And not like running a late yellow, but a full on my-light-is-green-and-there's-a-guy-in-front-of-me-sideways

It has dropped a bit now though.

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by sa-code »

losteric wrote: post #26
jjice wrote: post #6

Feels like a low sample size, but I'm not statistician or doctor. That said, almost everyone I know that consumes THC has no qualms driving while doing it, and many of them also at work. It's a huge peeve of mine.

Wow, pretty much no one I know drives under any influence regardless what they use. I wonder how many of these people were under the influence of alcohol and other substances.

The number of times I've heard "I'm good" honestly breaks my heart. Only to have people call me "Hermoine" etc (I am a straight cis man). I wonder what's the best way to talk about this

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by dragonwriter »

jjice wrote: post #6

Feels like a low sample size, but I'm not statistician or doctor. That said, almost everyone I know that consumes THC has no qualms driving while doing it, and many of them also at work. It's a huge peeve of mine.

> Feels like a low sample size

Its not a sample, it is the whole universe of analysis. (If you treat it as a sample of, say, US drivers killed in accidents in the same period, then errors due to sample size are probably the least of its problems.)

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