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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by nephihaha »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #204
nephihaha wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is busy clamping down on freedom of expression and forcing through Digital ID. It isn't some paradise. There are things I like about the EU, but it also has some things horribly wrong.

> It isn't some paradise. Compared to the USA it still is.

The EU has better healthcare and welfare overall, but fewer individual rights in other areas. Less gun crime (although this depends on region). Poverty levels vary a lot across the EU.

Americans take homeschooling for granted, for better or worse, but it is banned in some European countries like Germany.

Also the USA allows groups such as the Amish their liberty, which would be extremely unlikely in much of the EU where state interference would either force them out or destroy them.

The US has umpteen issues but is much better for freedom of expression frankly, although it is being steered away from that.

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Post by watwut »

andsoitis wrote: post #197
nephihaha wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voter turn out is extremely low in certain central and eastern Europe for EU elections. I think it was down to under 20% in some places a few years ago. I had hoped that the UK would vote to remain and Europe would move away from a centralist, authoritarian model, but it's got worse especially since 2020. The EU is its own worst enemy.

> move away from a centralist, authoritarian model, EU is authoritarian? Why do you think that?

It insists on things like "corruption is bad", "human rights are for everyone including gays" so naturally certain conservative groups find that authoritarian.

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Post by mathgradthrow »

breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

Is it actually anti-europe to ask europe to meet its NATO obligations?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by i_am_a_peasant »

breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

The US leadership and billionaires are literally trying to destroy my country by supporting far right parties here. I never want to have anything to do with the US again at least until they sort their own crap out.

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Post by pyrale »

j_maffe wrote: post #100
hulitu wrote: post #12

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> Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

Please add a /s we can't afford sarcasm in this climate anymore

The sarcasm is too damn high!

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by watwut »

nephihaha wrote: post #241
Lapel2742 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It isn't some paradise. Compared to the USA it still is.

The EU has better healthcare and welfare overall, but fewer individual rights in other areas. Less gun crime (although this depends on region). Poverty levels vary a lot across the EU. Americans take homeschooling for granted, for better or worse, but it is banned in some European countries like Germany. Also the USA allows groups such as the Amish their liberty, which would be extremely unlikely in much of the EU wh…

Right now EU is not arresting own citizens for failure to provide ID card while america does that even when said people have id card.

EU is not demanding 5 yeara of social media public from kids entering in.

EU is not killing fisherman to feel manly.

EU is overall more democratic and more free. The parts that sux Hungary and Slovakia dont sux because of EU, but despite it.

It is ok for Germany to not have homeschooling.

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Post by burkaman »

mathgradthrow wrote: post #243
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

Is it actually anti-europe to ask europe to meet its NATO obligations?

This is a non sequitur that has nothing to do with the comment or articles you're responding to.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by bogeholm »

mathgradthrow wrote: post #243
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

Is it actually anti-europe to ask europe to meet its NATO obligations?

Whataboutism.

The linked articles are not about NATO obligations.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

throw310822 wrote: post #224
strangegecko wrote: post #133

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China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory. It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

> China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian Let's also say that democracy is very important internally. But as a EU citizen (or even better as a middle east citizen) whether they're democratic or authoritarian makes very little difference to me- I don't get a say in what they do. And in the case of the ME, it wasn't China or its allies that reduced several countries to rubble, it was the democratic US. > i…

By definition democracy and authoritarianim/dictatorship are no compatible

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ben_w »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88
petcat wrote: post #80

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

> They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

Being risk-averse unfortunately now means "avoid the USA".

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