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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:20 PM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #7

flumpcakes wrote: post #3

Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2. I don'…

I agree, this is a good thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. Airbus obviously has a large amount of military work, and its data needs to stay in Europe. What we also need is a faster acceleration of military spending so this can happen with more companies.

> thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market.

They are not. It can hurt Airbus very much if a provider says they can provide a certain level of hardware/software for 10 years and in three years the RAM or storage goes through the roof and the provider is not big enough to absorb all the losses.

People don’t choose the hyperscalers because they are based in the US, they choose them because they are too big to fail and have pretty much unlimited resources and have multiplr streams of revenue.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by phatfish » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:21 PM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #112

alphager wrote: post #101

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Disbanding the EU is an official goal of the new US security strategy.

The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

Which Europeans have you "talked" to? Discord and twitter don't count. People moan about the EU like they moan about their own national government.

Opinion polls on actually leaving the EU show a minority in favour. Most Europeans saw Brexit play out and realise sticking the finger up at your neighbours is not a winning strategy.

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Post by re-thc » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:22 PM UTC

arrrg wrote: post #123

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

For decades trusting the US was no problem at all. The relationship was mutually beneficial. Cooperation and trust among nations is possible and Juche (completely self-reliance) is not a worthwhile goal at all. So, sure, cooperation is great and should always be a goal – it also secures peace (people who are economically intertwined are less likely to go to war with each other). The issue is the US burning up that ea…

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ulfw » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:22 PM UTC

MangoToupe wrote: post #125

Lapel2742 wrote: post #87

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> want to annex a European territory Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french guiana is. EU territory? Sure. But europe is a penninsula on the western flank of eurasia. Edit: huh I had no idea how complicated the classification of eu territories is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members...

And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc.

What kind of argument are you even trying to make?

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Post by fifilura » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:23 PM UTC

Amezarak wrote: post #116

saubeidl wrote: post #92

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

If the #2 or #1 most popular political party in Germany are "literal Neonazis", I think Germany and likely Europe as a whole has a much bigger problem than whatever America is doing.

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Lapel2742 » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:25 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #141

Lapel2742 wrote: post #128

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> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe No, it never was. > but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy No it hasn't: "There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 mi…

> That is why our food is way better and way healthier than the shit the US makes it's citizens eat. The US optimized for convenience, affordability, and variety. You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices. In many (not all) EU countries, the default option is closer to healthy.

> You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices.

It requires money too. If you are poor your choices are naturally limited and in the end you are dependent on government regulations to eat at least somewhat healthy.

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Post by ExoticPearTree » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:25 PM UTC

xorcist wrote: post #67

unmole wrote: post #23

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> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

Pray tell, how much of, say, the latest Afghanistan war did the US pay and how much do their allies need to bear? The rebuilding of a whole country, the reinstatement of the Taliban regime, the destabilization of the region, and the still ongoing stream of refugees? The political aftermath of which is still felt in Europe.

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by jmyeet » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:28 PM UTC

This administration has done more to undermine US power than probably any in history. This isn't a new statement either (eg [1]). Personally, I think that's not such a bad thing because we are the bad guys. I know people get all in their feelings when you say stuff like that but the number of democratically elected governments we've overthrown, just to get their resources, is indefensible.

This week it broke that China is pretty far along in duplicating EUV litthography. The US restricts ASML, a Dutch company, from exporting their best machines to China and Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese companies from exporting their chips to China. The second one was a massive mistake. Why? Because it created a marekt for China to produce chips because they had no other choice.

Geopolitically I think this is very similar to the USSR copying the atomic bomb in just 4 years after WW2 where US leaders either thought it was impossible or would take 20+ years.

The US has become unpredictable and unreliable. Ukraine is a big part of this because Europe is waking up to them having to be responsible for their own defense and that ultimately will undermine US power projection through NATO.

Since very early in this administration, probably back when the tariff nonsense began, I believed that Europe would be forced to distance themselves from US tech giants and at some point the EU would require cloud storage to be within EU borders and eventually require European companies to own and run that cloud rather than US companies.

China has their own version of virtually every tech company. I can see the EU moving in this direction for key functions and cloud is likely the first of those.

What's really precarious is the entire US economy is now essentially a bet on US companies owning a global AI future and I honestly don't think it's going to happen, mainly because China won't let it happen. DeepSeek was a shot across the bow for this and only the beginning.

What you really need to remember about the current administration is we're not even 1 year into a 4 year term with everything that's happened and the entire foreign policy is kleptocratic not strategic in nature.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45775985

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tw04 » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:31 PM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

> just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufacturer of 5G equipment.

Even if that were accurate, which it isn’t, what exactly do you think the US stands to gain by Europe buying 5g from someone other than China (like the European providers Ericsson and nokia)?

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Post by jamesblonde » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:31 PM UTC

pembrook wrote: post #99

jamesblonde wrote: post #94

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They control Europe's digital infrastructure and are able to increase rent to usurous levels (tarrifs!) because Europe is dependent on their digital services. Without digital sovereignty, Europe has no sovereignty and will quickly become a modern colony from which wealth will be extracted.

The reason the US is able to raise rents (tariffs) has nothing to do with Europe buying US digital services. The tariffs are on European exports. The problem is Europe has a weak domestic consumer market and is dependent on selling stuff to the US, not buying from them.

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