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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by general1465 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #20

Much of what people call cloud is a commodity at this point. If you need vms, object storage, load balancers, vpcs, etc., which is what most people would need, that works in a lot of solutions. And you can usually also find managed databases, redis, and a few other bits and bobs. If you like Kubernetes (I personally don't), the whole point of that is that it kind of works everywhere. People over pay for AWS mostly be…

> If you are married to AWS, that's a weakness in itself

I have tried Lambdas and then got this "oh-shit moment" when I have realized that if AWS would be to kick me out, I would be absolutely screwed.

Now I am slowly dispersing and using VMs instead and avoiding all the AWS-specific stuff as much as I can.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by letmetweakit »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #9

Having worked with all major European clouds: Good luck, have fun opening a lot of support cases for things that should work ootb.

It's better than having the rug pulled from under your company one day. This is the point in history we're at unfortunately.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by bambax »

flumpcakes wrote: post #3

Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2. I don'…

Of course it's a good thing. It's an excellent thing. Is there any European company or individual arguing otherwise?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by general1465 »

hulitu wrote: post #12
_ache_ wrote: post #2

Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". It's a step in financing EU sovereign cloud providers.

> Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

> And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

You can make exactly same argument for client (phone) scanning and depreciation of encryption.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by sunshine-o »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #9

Having worked with all major European clouds: Good luck, have fun opening a lot of support cases for things that should work ootb.

One of the reason is a lot of those "EU Sovereign Clouds" were malicious cash grabs.

It happened several times in the last decade:

- First politicians raise the alarm about "digital sovereignty"

- Then some create new EU sovereign clouds that are pitched/forced on corporations

- They usually do not work, get consolidated and then the scam is revealed

The biggest reveal was when we discovered and warned one of our client the Orange "Sovereign Cloud" (French telco partially owned by the government !) and built to host European most sensitive worloads was just handed over and run by Huawei [0] [1]. They were not the only one who did something like that.

I don't want to put actors like Hertzner in the same bag as they seem to be honest and really compete to offer a cheaper alternative to hyperscalers.

- [0] https://www.huawei.com/en/huaweitech/publication/winwin/29/o...

- [1] https://www.techmonitor.ai/hardware/cloud/orange-introduces-...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by mschuster91 »

hulitu wrote: post #12
_ache_ wrote: post #2

Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". It's a step in financing EU sovereign cloud providers.

> Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

> And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

By doing police legwork and by prevention work (i.e. offer help to pedophiles, don't go and wreck MENA countries for funsies, but invest in helping the civilian populations).

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tacker2000 »

digitalengineer wrote: post #29
tacker2000 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldnt say its laziness. The US has a long history of funding the Silicon Valley expansion using Darpa and other federal agencies for example. Europe never had such a thing, and they had a fragmented market for a long time. The big money is in the US, thats why the talent goes there.

And where would Silicon Valley be without CERN, that created the www?

Silicon valley has its origins with HP and Intel, producing hardware and chips.

Yes, the www was created at Cern, but this is only a small part of the whole tech industry and history as a whole.

Also before that, Arpanet, the precursor of the Internet, was created and funded in the US by the military and the top unis.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by atoav »

hulitu wrote: post #10
flumpcakes wrote: post #3

Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2. I don'…

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Your words are displaying the mindset that is the main driving force behind the currently ongoing decline of the American empire. Incredible hubris paired with ignorance and a lack of self reflection. Great qualities if you want to go further down that line.
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