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PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by DrewADesign »

xp84 wrote: post #41
DrewADesign wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. This is the tech world making everything better. Sure the news is biased, poorly-written garbage, but you can have a lot of it, instantly, for like no money!

The Internet is not devoid of good quality media. Yes, some of it you have to pay for. The free papers we had before the Internet were never bastions of great journalism (though I'll admit that national TV news once was once pretty decent, and free). And all news is biased. The only thing is, you can only see the bias towards your ideological enemies. When it's your bias, it's called "the truth."

No — free media has almost always been substandard. The tech world essentially lowered the bar for all media. I pay for good media.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by mdhb »

meltyness wrote: post #54
Braxton1980 wrote: post #53

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Your claim was professors want their opinions to be considered fact. Promoting a book doesn't do that. Having opinions is normal and what we are talking about. Whether the person is pessimistic has no relevance here and I would like to know why you presented that as evidence.

It's a national federally funded organization and they want to chat on about justice and fairness, literally asking in order "how does this effect diversity? oh. How about equity? oh. how about inclusion?", and it's such a surprise that it costs a trillion dollars to not plop a choo-choo from LA to SF when everyone "feels like it"? It's gross, it's gross to me. Stick to the news.

What you are describing here is very clearly a you problem and you’ve somehow convinced yourself that it’s someone else’s problem.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by codeddesign »

zzrrt wrote: post #55
codeddesign wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, the entire response is accurate.

Ok then, I look forward to my tax breaks and refunds enabled by cutting this program. I’m sure it’s in the mail with all the other dividends for citizens that Trump mentions every few months.

Again, this would be the Legislative branch. Your right to vote has not decreased, and you can absolutely contact your senator to introduce a bill for what you stated. I mean, you have a representative. Absolutely use them if you dislike something.

However, disagreeing with the Legislative or Executive branch in no way erodes your democratic rights.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by codeddesign »

mmooss wrote: post #59
codeddesign wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That part is fairly easy to understand with a few google searches. Journalism programs are at a loss across the country and have been in decline for some time. When a university program is not profitable they close the program. Low wages, less employment opportunity, and the decrease in interest of writing. Combine this with social media and the age of influencers - you suddenly have a huge decline across the board.…

> When a university program is not profitable they close the program. That's moving the goalposts. Universities are not for-profit organizations (with a few exceptions). By insisting on focusing on 'profit', the enemies of liberal education and liberalism can shut down much of it. Business school is of course profitable, and science has patents. What about the history department?

That would be up to the school. After all, it does have a $1.4 billion dollar endowment. (ASU is not struggling at all)

Every university has to decide what is profitable and what is a loss leader. You have to be well rounded to attract students, but also make money.

In this case, the school decided that this studio had less benefit to them than reward. If this studio attracted more students (tuition $$) then it would be a benefit.

People are getting mad at the White House, but in reality the school decided that this studio wasn’t worth keeping.

Just trying to be rational here.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by Braxton1980 »

meltyness wrote: post #54
Braxton1980 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your claim was professors want their opinions to be considered fact. Promoting a book doesn't do that. Having opinions is normal and what we are talking about. Whether the person is pessimistic has no relevance here and I would like to know why you presented that as evidence.

It's a national federally funded organization and they want to chat on about justice and fairness, literally asking in order "how does this effect diversity? oh. How about equity? oh. how about inclusion?", and it's such a surprise that it costs a trillion dollars to not plop a choo-choo from LA to SF when everyone "feels like it"? It's gross, it's gross to me. Stick to the news.

I assume by your rant you don't have the evidence I requested and your claims a more likely based on your political views and not reality.

What's disturbing is that you're probably an engineer, like you know how to open PRs but also think the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that explains why software has bugs

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by wtcactus »

slantedview wrote: post #25

It's no coincidence that at a time of eroding democracy, public journalism is being cut.

One man’s public journalism is another man’s state sponsored propaganda.

I don’t want my extorted taxes funding any of this. I hope other countries in Europe follow suit and shut down any state funded media and journalism networks.

P.S. Funnily enough, in my country, the hard left was very fond of the state media network - that they filled with their own talking heads - until recently when the present center right government started changing the seats to their own apparatchiks and the programs started to change from hard left propaganda to neo-liberal propaganda. Now, they don’t fancy all that money going to the state media channels anymore. Suits them right.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by DrewADesign »

chasil wrote: post #46
DrewADesign wrote: post #19

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People shouting about PBS news being horribly biased are just flat-out wrong. Obviously their viewership leans centrist liberal, but no other news program in recent times approached their level of nonpartisanship when dealing with national politics. Regardless of their affiliation, they’d ask most interviewees a couple of pointed questions but always let them explain themselves uninterrupted, and let them have the la…

What? https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-tru...

What? NPR≠PBS. The content and style are completely different.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by meltyness »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #65
meltyness wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a national federally funded organization and they want to chat on about justice and fairness, literally asking in order "how does this effect diversity? oh. How about equity? oh. how about inclusion?", and it's such a surprise that it costs a trillion dollars to not plop a choo-choo from LA to SF when everyone "feels like it"? It's gross, it's gross to me. Stick to the news.

I assume by your rant you don't have the evidence I requested and your claims a more likely based on your political views and not reality. What's disturbing is that you're probably an engineer, like you know how to open PRs but also think the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that explains why software has bugs

Yeah, we're opining on a segment that I opined is excessively opinionated (i.e., opinions are confidently stated so as to be represented as facts, "half of teachers are using LLMs") but when you look, the "study" is just a bunch of opinion polls. So yeah it is, in the literal sense, the professor's opinion being represented as facts, thank you have a nice day.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by meltyness »

mdhb wrote: post #62
meltyness wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a national federally funded organization and they want to chat on about justice and fairness, literally asking in order "how does this effect diversity? oh. How about equity? oh. how about inclusion?", and it's such a surprise that it costs a trillion dollars to not plop a choo-choo from LA to SF when everyone "feels like it"? It's gross, it's gross to me. Stick to the news.

What you are describing here is very clearly a you problem and you’ve somehow convinced yourself that it’s someone else’s problem.

You are optimistic about my ability to get things done, and I appreciate that.

Re: PBS News Hour West to go dark after ASU discontinues contract

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Post by thatcat »

codeddesign wrote: post #63
zzrrt wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok then, I look forward to my tax breaks and refunds enabled by cutting this program. I’m sure it’s in the mail with all the other dividends for citizens that Trump mentions every few months.

Again, this would be the Legislative branch. Your right to vote has not decreased, and you can absolutely contact your senator to introduce a bill for what you stated. I mean, you have a representative. Absolutely use them if you dislike something. However, disagreeing with the Legislative or Executive branch in no way erodes your democratic rights.

You're correct, the non existent democratic rights of the people have not been eroded. As you have you described, USA is a Republic not a Democracy.
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