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Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by cwyers »

dismalaf wrote: post #528
tialaramex wrote: post #516

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Note that of course Jai's tooling is also written in C++ As to why Rust, there's actual historical information about why Graydon wanted to make it and why Mozilla decided to fund that work after it was started. Jon has said the intent was that Jai would allow him to make more games, because C++ held him back so much. So, yeah, it would need to be superior to C++ in at least this way, and by at least enough to justify…

It was a rhetorical question. I think anyone should be allowed to make any language they want for whatever reason they want. And IMO C++ is painful enough to use that nothing needs to be "better", more ergonomic is good enough for huge productivity gains.

I mean, he's _allowed_. The Compiler Police aren't going to roll up to his house and take away his Jai compiler if there isn't a quorum of HN users blessing his efforts. But people can point out they don't feel the juice is worth the squeeze. Also, Blow is certainly an advocate for his position, which means this kind of public debate is germane to the question of if _other_ people should adopt Jai.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by pengaru »

What's the market size for such a sokoban puzzle game?

I've watched a few of Blow's programming streams which usually spanned both Jai and sokoban development, this was years ago when the sokoban game was clearly an unpolished development mule for the language.

It never seemed like a wise use of resources to try polish that turd of a game concept, certainly not for 9 years. Am I wrong?

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by meheleventyone »

eudamoniac wrote: post #592
meheleventyone wrote: post #550

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Tell me what happened to democracy when Hitler took power? And how democratic was the overall process? So was the decision to commit mass murder of millions of people really the democratic will of the people? It’s like people haven’t even touched a history book sometimes. You can also look at the parallels to Trump and his continued assault on the democratic norms in the US government. For example assuming powers tha…

> Tell me what happened to democracy when Hitler took power? And how democratic was the overall process? So was the decision to commit mass murder of millions of people really the democratic will of the people? It wasn't, but as I said, if the majority of voters do wish to commit mass murder, that is actually not trivially ignorable. > You can also look at the parallels to Trump and his continued assault on the democ…

You’re mixing the principle of democracy up with the process which is necessary to uphold the principle. It’s quite clear that the issue with the democratic process in the US is not with the language used by Democrat voters. What’s unhealthy for democracy is the continued flouting of the process by Trump and the enablement of that by Republicans. I can definitely understand it feels bad when people compare you to fascists though but y’know stop enabling fascist things. The idea that it’s actually the language causing it is very silly.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by maximilianburke »

socalgal2 wrote: post #564
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #299

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> Politics imo is the worst sort of tribalism No it's not. Politics is the negotiation between two or more people who want conflicting outcomes. > they might disagree on what the important issues are, or what should be done about them, but thankfully that doesn't necessarily stop them from being the best of friends. The Republicans are led by white supremacists and they hate me for being transgender. Please stop carr…

> The Republicans are led by white supremacists and they hate me for being transgender This is utterly false. At best you can claim you’ve heard of a few homophobic racists who happen to be republican . I’ve met just as many who happen to be democrat Just to easily refute one of your 2 claims. Non-white republicans demographics is growing, not shrinking

It's possible (and true) that non-white Republican demographics have been growing and that the Republicans are currently being led by white supremacists, with the latter being demonstrated by the words and actions of Trump, Miller, Noem, Hegseth, Musk, etc.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by __alexs »

psyopsy wrote: post #591
__alexs wrote: post #551

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I didn't say he thinks women don't have a role.

You said, "I don't think he's said exactly that in his own words but..." That's implicitly saying, "well, he hasn't admitted it outright, but yeah, he basically believes it." Now faced with evidence contrary to your beliefs, you're claiming you didn't say that. When presented with proof, It's ok to just admit that you were wrong.

You seem very defensive of Blow. I didn't say the things you seem to think I was saying. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by __alexs »

psyopsy wrote: post #595
__alexs wrote: post #552

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It's hard to control for social conditioning. I don't need to be able to tell you what the alternative is to be able to tell you that there are many confounding factors. Knowing what does not explain something, doesn't tell you what does explain it.

They did try to account for social conditioning: parents' education and jobs, local labor markets, school performance, the whole bit. The gap still didn't move much. If socialization were the main driver, you'd expect the most egalitarian countries to have the smallest gaps. They don't. In a lot of cases it's the opposite. Sweden, for example, shows bigger differences in occupational preferences than places like Paki…

You can't control for the social conditioning of gender. This is so fundamentally obvious I don't think you are taking the science seriously.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by kragen »

swiftcoder wrote: post #593
kragen wrote: post #489

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The tweet immediately before this one says: > There's a weird disconnect in this vaccine mandate debate: many are still pretending that Covid-19 is of natural origin, which gives such mandates a different feel than they otherwise have. Contrary to your assertion, this is not clearly talking about vaccine mandates in any particular place. And the tweet I quoted previously is claiming (or hinting) that the same "state…

The problem with your scenario is that the Chinese government didn't have a covid vaccine mandate in October of '21 (when Blow's tweet was published). Their covid vaccine program was voluntary up until they tried to establish a mandate in July of '22 (a lot of commentators seem to be confused on this point, as there are mandates for childhood vaccines in China - but these never extended to covid vaccines)

Maybe not for everybody, but I recall hearing that certain military units, students, and government officials were required to get covid vaccinations already in '20. Maybe he heard the same thing?

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Post by socalgal2 »

maximilianburke wrote: post #604
socalgal2 wrote: post #564

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> The Republicans are led by white supremacists and they hate me for being transgender This is utterly false. At best you can claim you’ve heard of a few homophobic racists who happen to be republican . I’ve met just as many who happen to be democrat Just to easily refute one of your 2 claims. Non-white republicans demographics is growing, not shrinking

It's possible (and true) that non-white Republican demographics have been growing and that the Republicans are currently being led by white supremacists, with the latter being demonstrated by the words and actions of Trump, Miller, Noem, Hegseth, Musk, etc.

And it's just as possible (and actually TRUE) that your interpretation of their words is a mis-representation their POV.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by socalgal2 »

spicyusername wrote: post #580
socalgal2 wrote: post #417

I hate this kind of headline. No, Jonathan Blow did not spend the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles. A team of developers made 1,400 puzzles and Blow directed them. This headline is like writing "Walt Disney hand drew 60,000 frames of Snow White". (correct me if I'm wrong)

Do you have a source for that? I always got the impression it's been mostly Blow and a partner working on Jai and this new game.

there's plenty of comments here referencing other designers on the project.

Re: Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade designing 1,400 puzzles

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

mariusor wrote: post #25
jstimpfle wrote: post #16

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I haven't played any of these games, but "explains otherwise" seems to be a misrepresentation given that the commenter you linked is saying himself that Blow's game combines ideas and rulesets from several other previous games. Elsewhere in the arstechnica comments you linked > But, uh... this isn't a "Linus Torvalds is a jerk" sort of situation. "Controversial" undersells just how outlandish and inappropriate Blow's…

I've been watching Blow work on his compiler and game for many years. He has gone the deep end in his sympathies for Trump and Trump adjacents, but misogyny I've never witnessed from him. I think he is the latest victim of the Notch-Rowling slide into rightism. It happens when a relatively benign conservatives have opinions that get the internet mob riled up, bullies them, cancels them and thus makes them dig deeper…

Misogyny is a subset of supporting trump. If you've seen him go off the deep end on supporting trump then you are witnessing his misogyny, even if you ignore his other comments.
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