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Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

What is this fad on HN right now? All these people are coming out to criticize Firefox (Mozilla really, not Firefox itself) for their bumbling about the past few years, and now there's a backlash to it, like "these entitled users, oh my goodness" as though holding software companies to a standard is somehow a bad thing?

HN is deeply contrarian so once a majority opinion gains a foothold it flips to the opposite opinion.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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The post lists a number of ad-tech moves Mozilla has made in recent years, the ever increasing upper management salaries, and the insistence on trying to make Firefox preprocess everything you see on the web instead of showing you the web itself (AI).

I personally agree with these complaints. I think most people who intentionaly install Firefox agree with them. Despite all it's attempts otherwise, Firefox was and still is mostly used by "power users" and we're pretty much the only ones left that intentionally install the browser. Mozilla being the only working alternative to Alphabet domainance over the web doesn't change the validity of these issues. The real issue here is that Mozilla wants to be HUGE instead of just being a browser for humans.

I'd been a Firefox user since K-meleon (with a gap decade when Opera was actually a real browser and innovating). But for me the breaking point wasn't all this ad-tech stuff or the signalling of AI. It was when Mozilla showed they no longer cared about their core userbase and wanted to chase after demographics that didn't care about browsers at all; when they made the security theater Add-ons signing portal in version 37 and made it so one could not edit or install such things without Mozilla's central and continued approval (also, baking in 3 year expiring add-on certs making FF trial-ware). These days, for me, it's just a fallback for my bank. I use a Firefox fork for my main browsers which is much more Firefox than Firefox.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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You let them oust Brendan Eich. I have no sympathy whatsoever because you let the charlatans into the project and now you’re complaining.

Nobody stood up for Brendan. Nobody is going to stand up for you.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

If anything, it's the powerusers that disable Firefox's telemetry so that they don't know how the power users use Firefox.

(Guiltily raises hand. Although lately I've noticed a ping option, so I left that enabled.)

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

Okay... are you saying there are no problems with Firefox? And if not, are how do you propose that users get these problems fixed without talking about them?

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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You let them oust Brendan Eich. I have no sympathy whatsoever because you let the charlatans into the project and now you’re complaining. Nobody stood up for Brendan. Nobody is going to stand up for you.

Brendan Eich was garbage, though, and on top of that he made Brave which is basically a joke, so not exactly missing him.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

It's incredible the whining about AI when you can simply turn it off.

The speed comparisons make no sense either. Chrome is slightly faster so you should give up your ability to block all ads and let Google abuse you in myriad ways while supporting a virtual monopoly? FFS.

Firefox is simply a better browser, hands down. It's a better design and more user friendly than Chrome. I only regret being on Chrome for so long.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

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Firefox's main problem is Firefox users. Seriously, there's nothing but griping about it but it's pretty much the only browser holding back the rendering engine monopoly (intentionally excluding WebKit).

Okay... are you saying there are no problems with Firefox? And if not, are how do you propose that users get these problems fixed without talking about them?

It's the vitriol, not the criticism.

Re: Is Firefox Firefucked?

#20

You let them oust Brendan Eich. I have no sympathy whatsoever because you let the charlatans into the project and now you’re complaining. Nobody stood up for Brendan. Nobody is going to stand up for you.

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