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Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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The other option is traditional search engines, which are chock full of spam. Or perhaps Kagi, but apparently they only give you the tools to exclude the content farms, they don't exclude them themselves.

It does require excluding things yourself, but I've had a lot of success with uBlacklist. Some of the spam sites all have certain common characteristics that you can specifically search for to come up with a full search result of spam domains

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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If there’s evidence of productivity improvements through AI use, please provide more information. From what I’ve seen, the actual data shows that AI use slows developers down.

The sheer number of projects I've completed that I truly would never have been able to even make a dent in is evidence enough for me. I don't think research will convince you. You need to either watch someone do it, or experiment with it yourself. Get your hands dirty on an audacious project with Claude code.

Research is the only thing that will convince me. That’s the way it should be.

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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I think we should label devs overreliant on AI as "Engineers who dismiss themselves"

I'll take that, but don't see how it's so different from the intent I've always had of "automating myself out of the job". When I want to do "engineering", I can always spin up Factorio or Turing Complete. But for the rest of the time, I care about the result rather than the process. For example, before starting to implement a tool, I'll always first search online for whether there is already a good tool that would a…

Cracktorio! ;) I also love Dyson Sphere Program.

I wrote some Turing Machine programs back in my Philosophy of Computer Science class during the 80's, but since then my Turing Machine programming skills have atrophied, and I let LLMs write them for me now.

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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> The engineers refusing to try aren’t protecting themselves; quite the opposite, they’re falling behind. The gap is widening between engineers who’ve integrated these tools and engineers who haven’t. For me, however, there is one issue: how can I utilize AI without degenerating my own abilities? I use AI sparingly because, to be honest, every time I use AI, I feel like I'm getting a little dumber. I fear that excess…

You can always ask it to nudge you in the right direction instead of giving the solution right away. I suspect this way of using it is not very popular though. This is not a new problem I think. How do you use Google, translator, (even dictionaries!), etc without "degenerating" your own abilities? If you're not careful and always rely on them as a crutch, they'll remain just that; without actually "incrementing" you.…

> How do you use Google, translator, (even dictionaries!), etc without "degenerating" your own abilities?

By writing down every foreign word/phrase that I don't know, and adding a card for it to my cramming card box.

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Jenny, please try to conduct yourself with some sense of decorum here -- These are real people you're bullying. This isn't a hatemonger platform like some of the others. Please try to do better

That doesn't seem bullying to me

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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Why? I'm happy to spend VC money while they're offering it. If and when they stop giving me an offering that I'm satisfied with, I'll stop using it.

"i'm happy to smoke crack while the dealer is paying for it"

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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It might even be true this time, but there is no real mystery why many aren't inclined to invest more time figuring it out for themselves every few months. No need for the author of the original article to reach for "they are protecting their fragile egos" style of explanation.

The productivity improvements speak for themselves. Over time, those who can use ai well and those who cannot will be rewarded or penalized by the free market accordingly.

What does “can use” mean though. You just ask it to do things in basic English. Everyone can do that with no training.

Re: Engineers who dismiss AI

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from some of the engineers I've debated this over, I think some of them have just dug their heels in at this point and have decided they're never going to use LLM tools period, and are just clinging to the original arguments without really examining the reality of the situation. In particular this "The LLM is going to hallucinate subtle bugs I can't catch" one. The idea that LLMs make subtle mistakes that are somehow…

> The idea that LLMs make subtle mistakes that are somehow more subtle, insidious and uncatchable compared to any random 25 pull requests you get from humans is simply ridiculous. This is plainly true, and you are just angry that you don't have a rebuttal

I didnt say the LLM does not make mistakes, I said the idea that a reviewer is going to miss them at some rate that is any different from mistakes a human would make, is ridiculous.

Missing in these discussions is what kinds of code people are talking about. Clearly if we're talking about a dense, highly mathematical algorithm, I would not have an LLM anywhere near that. We are talking about day-to-day boilerplate / plumbing stuff. The vast majority of boring grunt work that is not intellectually stimulating. If your job is all Carnegie-Mellon level PHD algorithm work, then good for you.

edit: I get that it looks like you made this account four days ago to troll HN on AI stuff. I get it, I have a bit of a mission here to pointedly oppose the entrenched culture (namely the extreme right wing elements of it). But your trolling is careless and repetitive enough that it looks like.....is this an LLM account instructed to troll HN users on LLM use ? funny

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