It's hard to imagine that it's gotten worse. My employer imploded in the housing collapse. I got to the point I could screen at least 80% of the supposed job ads as bogus. Many were the same fairly generic thing month after month, some were outright scams (apply for something a bit outside my realm but which I could do, soon I was getting people trying to interest me in training for said role), some were the same job being posted in many manifestations. Maybe the original was legit, but 20 versions of it are 1 job, not 20.
'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
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Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#222Ghost jobs are essentially the 'vaporware' of the HR world. In any other department, misrepresenting your intent to engage in a transaction would be seen as a breach of professional ethics. The fact that it has become a standard KPI for HR departments to 'keep the pipeline warm' at the expense of thousands of hours of unpaid candidate labor is a massive market failure.
How is it different in terms of breach of professional ethics than practice interviews many in tech do, never intending to take the offer? I personally have never done them (part laziness, part ethics, part lucky to have little experience of job insecurity), but have been told a few times by people that do that is stupid that I should stay sharp (and waste 5 people's time to help me for free :))
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop thinking about laws, and think about enforcement. If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. We have all sorts of fancy laws on the books that aren't enforced. Environmental regs, animal welfare regs, anti trust laws, white collar anti fraud laws. Data laws fall into this bucket. Nobody that would actually enforce those laws gives a dam. We won't be able to solve any of our problems with…
" >If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. " Ahhhh! A new English expression, "defecto legal". I like it! It could be the name of a popular website. The proper term is "de facto" : https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/de%20facto A defect is a flaw, an error, and "defecto" is Spanish for the English "defect". The meaning of "defecto legal" (English) thus remains in the wind, TBD. But I look f…
s/it's/its/g
You want the possessive ("its"), not the shortened form ("it is") which would make that sentence:
"...look forward to it is landing"
Thank you for sharing the Spanish interpretation, TIL :)
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please stop thinking about laws, and think about enforcement. If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. We have all sorts of fancy laws on the books that aren't enforced. Environmental regs, animal welfare regs, anti trust laws, white collar anti fraud laws. Data laws fall into this bucket. Nobody that would actually enforce those laws gives a dam. We won't be able to solve any of our problems with…
">* If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. * Ahhhh! A new English expression, "defecto legal". I like it! It should be the name of a website, defectolegal.com, for purposes TBD later. The proper term is "de facto": https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/de%20facto "Defecto" is Spanish for the English "defect", a flaw, an error. Don't get me started about "giving a dam".
In English we don’t write commas or periods outside the quotes. The proper way is to write them inside the quotation.
- “defect,” a flaw, an error.
- about giving a dam.”
Don’t get me started about “for purposes TBD later.”
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like participation in unemployment should require every job posting to be recorded as to date open, date filled, number of candidates applied, number interviewed. Such information should be public and weekly updated. Companies that do not comply should pay a higher rate.
I don't think number interviewed is relevant--I don't care so much about exactly how their screening works, just that it lead to hires. The rest of it, though, definitely, and any job ad must include a link to the database. But I would add one field: filled internally/externally/H1-B, rather than just "filled".
Yes to how filled.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you consider briefly highlighting the relevant parts of your experience to a potential employer as "fucking shit" , then perhaps you are unsuitable for the role being offered.
I am sure, you hold the employer to the same standards. For example disclosing salary range information beforehand, or writing rejection letters afterwards, so applicants going through the trouble of doing their part aren't wasting their time and energy. Right?
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Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#227Can we please get back to using job fairs already? Why are companies so irritatingly resistant to getting back to doing things in-person and real-time?
job fair for which jobs? there are barely any jobs left.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#228Funny this is posted on HN since the HN hiring threads contains companies that have been posting the same job offer for years straight. Zero due dilligence done. 60-70% of jobs are fake jobs nowadays.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#229We could at least require that all applications have a standardized format for resumé and a list of legally allowable questions. No more requiring the candidate to do 30 minutes of data entry to encode their resumé into your HR system. Then a ghost job wouldn't really waste much time, since uploading a JSON should take 30 seconds.
When we post a job ad on LinkedIn, I already get 30 spam answers in the first few minutes, people that have obviously spent not a single second reading the requirements. And you want to further automate this? I’ll just ask my people person to automate the response. We really try to spend the time to answer every application, but since AI generated applications have become a thing, we have decided to not answer those.…
Did you even read the comment you are responding to?
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Citizens United, a monumental betrayal of every citizen.
> The provisions of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 restricting unions, corporations, and profitable organizations from independent political spending and prohibiting the broadcasting of political media funded by them within sixty days of general elections or thirty days of primary elections violate the freedom of speech that is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Uni…
Right, but if you try to make a gentle, common-sense, broad consensus law and the Supreme Court squashes it as violating the constitution, that also prevents any potential future more stringent regulation.