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Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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Is there a fork of firefox where you have all the same core functionality and support for extensions but with all the mozilla services (pocket, safe browsing, forced crap on the new tab page, any AI service, etc...) removed?

Zen, Waterfox, Librewolf, Floorp.. For android there's Fennec, Iceraven.

There are more, those are just the ones I can recall.

Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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Vivaldi is not open source. Not quite an option.

https://vivaldi.com/source/

Wait, what? Vivaldi is open source? Now I am confused and really not sure what was the reason I ignored it for so long. Was there something iffy with Linux desktop integration?

Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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so that the tiny but vocal anti-AI minority will be happy [citation needed]

Citation for what really? That the anti-AI movement is a minority? Just ask around you "have you used AI today?" and I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean. I don't have a horse in this game and I'm not an AI fan, but the numbers speak for themselves so much that the mere question is odd.

The anti-AI ‘movement’ is a minority like all partisans are a minority. You shouldn’t be comparing them to passive consumers but to enthusiasts who actively demand ‘AI’ in their browser/Paint/Notepad.

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The new CEO said he views it as a monetization source. I'm not really sure how, but he apparently has something in mind I can't think of.

The chatbot can provide sponsored responses. Not sure how evident those will be, but I think it will happen. Surely is in Google's mind.

If the responses are sponsored, it seems the value drops dramatically.

I want the AI agent to act more like a fiduciary, an independent 3rd party acting in my best interest. I don't need an AI salesman interjecting itself into my life with compromised incentives.

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so that the tiny but vocal anti-AI minority will be happy [citation needed]

Citation for what really? That the anti-AI movement is a minority? Just ask around you "have you used AI today?" and I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean. I don't have a horse in this game and I'm not an AI fan, but the numbers speak for themselves so much that the mere question is odd.

> the numbers speak for themselves

What numbers? Have Mozilla published any numbers showing their AI experiments have been warmly received by users?

Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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Why not make them disabled by default , with the option to turn them on?

They could even make the AI features available as extensions, downloadable from addons.mozilla.org

That way, the users who want them can download them, and the users who don't, don't.

Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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> We've been calling it the AI kill switch internally. I'm sure it'll ship with a less murderous name, but that's how seriously and absolutely we're taking this. Honestly, is anybody reading what's getting written anymore? If it gets taken seriously it would ship with an enable-AI button, not the other way round.

I love threads about Mozilla. New CEO says he's not going to remove adblockers, people suspect him for planning to remove adblockers. Mozilla says they'll add a killswitch for all AI features (so that the tiny but vocal anti-AI minority will be happy), and people blame them for not having it as an enable-switch. Whatever they do, they simply cannot win. I'm personally starting to suspect the main issue with Mozilla i…

>Whatever they do, they simply cannot win. I'm personally starting to suspect the main issue with Mozilla is its users.

A lot of people remember the Mozilla of old, and are just completely depressed at the state of where it has ended up over the last 10 years. They were once a non-profit founded to promote the web and put users first. Now it's just this weird zombie company monetizing the work and good will of a prior generation of engineers that cared about that mission.

Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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> We've been calling it the AI kill switch internally. I'm sure it'll ship with a less murderous name, but that's how seriously and absolutely we're taking this. Honestly, is anybody reading what's getting written anymore? If it gets taken seriously it would ship with an enable-AI button, not the other way round.

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Re: Firefox will have an option to disable all AI features

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I can't imagine any reasonable use case for having AI tightly integrated into a browser (or an operating system, for what it's worth). Why not make a browser plugin or a web page or an app? I don't get it.

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