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Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by geoffeg »

> After the user downloads 2MB of JavaScript, waits for it to parse, waits for it to execute, waits for it to hydrate, waits for it to fetch data, waits for it to render... yes, then subsequent navigations feel snappy. Congratulations.

In my experience, a lot of SPAs transfer more data than the front-end actually needs. One team I worked on was sending 4MB over the wire to render 14kb of actual HTML. (No, there wasn't some processing happening on the front-end that needed the extra data.) And that was using graphql, some dev just plunked all the fields in the graphql query instead of the ones actually needed. I've seen that pattern a lot, although in some cases it's been to my benefit, like finding more details on a tracking website than the UI presented.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by purerandomness »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #4

The proselyting over frameworks is the worst bit of the web ecosystem. If your solution is actually good, it will get adopted eventually... Forget React, there's still stuff written in jQuery and JSP. Why the rush to convert everything - you're not a missionary on a mission, just build your stuff in stuff you like? The attack on npm is ridiculous, when (apart from introducing a permanent vulnerability in the form of…

> If your solution is actually good, it will get adopted eventually...

I wish this were true.

Unfortunately, often the things that get adopted are the things hyped up the most, not the ones which are technically superior.

Popularity, marketing budgets and inertia often dictate what's popular.

As with all biases, we need to actively and deliberately work against these forces, if we value craftsmanship and professionalism.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by g947o »

I am tired of people using the smallest "Hello World" example to demonstrate how something is better than React -- "See, you don't need all these things to get a website up and running!"

Of course it will work. I can vibe code the most terrible web framework you have seen within 20 minutes and claim it is better than React, but what does it prove?

> You write zero JavaScript > The whole library is ~14kb gzipped

Oh sure, if there is nothing else in your UI, and if your Python/Go/whatever backend server has 0 dependency, which almost never happens.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by 0x3f »

The thing is React is usually fine, and even if you don't have to build _this_ thing in React due to simplicity, why bother learning two paradigms when you can just use the heavier one for everything and most likely never encounter any real practical showstopping issue?

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by yxhuvud »

asim wrote: post #6

Man I did try htmx, and I was hopeful, right until I saw how it polluted my codebase. I can't say I have the answers, but writing a pure Go app, I'm currently using one giant css file, custom styling and inline html. And now I'm at the breaking point. So I'm planning to move to tailwind and Go templates, but honestly, i was hopeful for htmx, so I need to properly see the usecase. Which i don't know is this. It remind…

Turbo with a small sprinkling of stimulus may be closer to what you are hoping for - turbo especially is a lot more opinionated than htmx.
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