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'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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Post by teeray »

cmiles8 wrote: post #144

In the US a lot of these are pseudo postings for immigration applications. They are technically posting the job, but in pt 3 for on page 72 of a random newspaper in a hope that nobody sees it and applies so they can say “we couldn’t find anyone so we need a visa/green card.” That’s starting to get cracked down on, but it’s been a mess and a sham for a while.

> They are technically posting the job, but in pt 3 for on page 72 of a random newspaper

That one is theoretically easy. When you apply, the job you “couldn’t fill” gets auto-posted to a very, very public government-hosted job board (with applicant tracking).

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Post by DrScientist »

cons0le wrote: post #149
rdtsc wrote: post #4

> Dr Escalera adds that she has also heard examples of companies posting jobs to obtain and sell data. How is that not illegal? Pretending to offer jobs just to suck in resumes to some database just seems like it should be illegal. Or just like running scams is illegal but they are in another country "so tough luck, you'll never get us"?

Please stop thinking about laws, and think about enforcement. If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. We have all sorts of fancy laws on the books that aren't enforced. Environmental regs, animal welfare regs, anti trust laws, white collar anti fraud laws. Data laws fall into this bucket. Nobody that would actually enforce those laws gives a dam. We won't be able to solve any of our problems with…

There are lots of forms of 'don't care'. Don't care because:

- they have limited resources and they are prioritising something else,

- there is little realistic chance of getting a conviction.

- it's not one of their politically set department targets

- they fundamentally don't think it should be illegal - say historic blasphemy laws still on the books.

Is your main concern resources or enforceability, lack of political focus or some combination of all of the above?

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Post by windex »

Atleast in Europe there are some basic rules around data collection. In places like India, linkedin is a free for all vacuuming up resume data. I've seen the same jobs on linkedin appear for nearly 4 years with no changes and hundreds of people applying every week.

You cant flag it on linkedin either. I guess LinkedIn's business model likes the fake job postings.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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Post by pjc50 »

_heimdall wrote: post #160
renegade-otter wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there was, under the current regime, the probability of it being enforced is near-zero, especially if you are in the good graces of the child king.

The problem of enforcement doesn't fall only on the executive branch. They're tasked with executing laws passed by congress. Congress is ultimately a check on the executive, and if they care to have their laws enforced they do have actions they could take.

The branches (including SCOTUS) are not meaningfully different when they are controlled by the same party.

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Post by ArtemZ »

pastel8739 wrote: post #36
avidiax wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The employers want applications so badly they are willing to post job ads that don't exist. The need for a referral to get human eyes on your resume is a different problem that isn't made better by making every application expensive for the applicant. Poor quality applicants have more time, you might say.

I disagree and think that increasing the cost of applying would indeed help this problem. If the number of applications is too high for humans to possibly review, what other possible solution could there be?

Start accepting CVs over snail mail. Much more difficult to automate, there is a cost already embedded in the process (72¢ for a stamp) and any attempts to automate this will be obvious.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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Post by jokoon »

I wish I had a job

But honestly I settled with my unemployment.

I just don't want to deal with all the bs of applying, and playing nice with recruiters. Either they need me or they don't. I don't want to play games.

I don't have the privilege of having a degree or being well networked, or being a great developer.

It's a market. There can't be a job for everyone.

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Post by expedition32 »

_heimdall wrote: post #160
renegade-otter wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there was, under the current regime, the probability of it being enforced is near-zero, especially if you are in the good graces of the child king.

The problem of enforcement doesn't fall only on the executive branch. They're tasked with executing laws passed by congress. Congress is ultimately a check on the executive, and if they care to have their laws enforced they do have actions they could take.

Congres is a rabbit caught in the headlights of the MAGA cult but I admire your optimism.

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Post by franktankbank »

cons0le wrote: post #149
rdtsc wrote: post #4

> Dr Escalera adds that she has also heard examples of companies posting jobs to obtain and sell data. How is that not illegal? Pretending to offer jobs just to suck in resumes to some database just seems like it should be illegal. Or just like running scams is illegal but they are in another country "so tough luck, you'll never get us"?

Please stop thinking about laws, and think about enforcement. If the cops don't care about something, it's defecto legal. We have all sorts of fancy laws on the books that aren't enforced. Environmental regs, animal welfare regs, anti trust laws, white collar anti fraud laws. Data laws fall into this bucket. Nobody that would actually enforce those laws gives a dam. We won't be able to solve any of our problems with…

This really has me thinking I ought to just delete my Linkedin. I can't say I've ever got anything out of it except spam and fomo. I don't even like to keep it up-to-date because someone is just ripping that information off.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Y_Y wrote: post #173
VerifiedReports wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizens United, a monumental betrayal of every citizen.

> The provisions of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 restricting unions, corporations, and profitable organizations from independent political spending and prohibiting the broadcasting of political media funded by them within sixty days of general elections or thirty days of primary elections violate the freedom of speech that is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Uni…

> it removed a ban on political broadcasts near elections,

Propaganda works, and this was a BIG change, as it now let unlimited shady corpo money spam agit-prop with no consequence.

this was step 1 on living in a post-truth world.

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Post by Manozco »

firstplacelast wrote: post #106
wombatpm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like participation in unemployment should require every job posting to be recorded as to date open, date filled, number of candidates applied, number interviewed. Such information should be public and weekly updated. Companies that do not comply should pay a higher rate.

Earlier this year was playing around with the idea of creating an app to track job applications and the subsequent interview process for candidates. Then using the data to give users insights into companies and roles and how responsive they are. So (with enough adoption) one could see how long they take to respond or even see other candidates they had responded to for a specific position (maybe even allow competing c…

Maybe by providing a unique email to the user that he/she will use for the company. Be sure to forward emails to the user also :D
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