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After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this same problem is one of the side effects of mining for the metals used in things like solar panels it comes at the sacrifice of many non-western countries and this conversation is never on the table it's such a shame things that could otherwise last for thousands of years will get destroyed by a few decades of mismanagement

They have plenty of mines for iron amd otber metals in western countries as well. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butte,_Montana

Not to mention that Brazil is a Western country.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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I grew up in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais, a region full of natural resources and, thankfully, aquifers and natural water reservoirs. However, centuries of extraction mismanagement and, more recently, over exploration of mineral resources puts these water resources into jeopardy. (Other problems include mining in open pits and with sludge dams that led to two of the worse environmental disasters in the world i…

Wow. That’s a hydrological feature I’ve never come across in my studies. Thanks for sharing.

Short tangent: I want to stop and admire that you shared an article in Portuguese and in seconds I could read it with Safari’s translation feature. It even translated labels on the images, and got the hydrologic cycle figure right! (However, I think “Rio de 28 Old Women” is probably an error.) This makes me feel connected with you in a way that wouldn’t have been possible a generation ago.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

#43

Water is going to be needed to cool all these data centres going up around the world. They will gobble up electricity and water.

You realize the cooling system in a data center is a closed loop that circulates a fixed volume of water, right?

Your kidneys are filtering 200 liters of blood per day. OMG, where's all that blood coming from?!

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #25

So the sanctions will eventually work and topple the regime?

In 10 years there won’t be a regime in Iran because Iran won’t exist as it does today. With the collapsing water table people are going to be forced into either death or migration. I don’t want to be a doom and gloom guy, but the climate change collapse is starting to happen in front of our eyes—and not just in a far off ‘eventually this will be a problem’ way.

A major factor, but also include aging infrastructure and population growth. The giant data centres around the world are going to use up high amounts of water and electricity.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this same problem is one of the side effects of mining for the metals used in things like solar panels it comes at the sacrifice of many non-western countries and this conversation is never on the table it's such a shame things that could otherwise last for thousands of years will get destroyed by a few decades of mismanagement

They have plenty of mines for iron amd otber metals in western countries as well. Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butte,_Montana

Also Kiruna in Sweden, an iron mine they relocate the entire town around to expand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiruna_mine

Also the reason for the existence of the Norwegian port town of Narvik, connected to Kiruna by the world’s most northerly train line.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

#47

Water is going to be needed to cool all these data centres going up around the world. They will gobble up electricity and water.

You realize the cooling system in a data center is a closed loop that circulates a fixed volume of water, right? Your kidneys are filtering 200 liters of blood per day. OMG, where's all that blood coming from?!

Many data centers use evaporative cooling, since it's much cheaper than closed loop. This requires a constant input of water.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

#48

Water is going to be needed to cool all these data centres going up around the world. They will gobble up electricity and water.

You realize the cooling system in a data center is a closed loop that circulates a fixed volume of water, right? Your kidneys are filtering 200 liters of blood per day. OMG, where's all that blood coming from?!

If this is true, why have I heard about data centers demolishing local water supplies? Is this incorrect?

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Water is going to be needed to cool all these data centres going up around the world. They will gobble up electricity and water.

Clean water use for data center use has literally zero impact on water situation in Iran. Datacentres don't consume water.

There is an ongoing public discussion here whether they should be built next to rivers or the sea for that purpose.

Iran probably hasn't built (m)any of those yet but that will be the next step.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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post #5

I grew up in the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais, a region full of natural resources and, thankfully, aquifers and natural water reservoirs. However, centuries of extraction mismanagement and, more recently, over exploration of mineral resources puts these water resources into jeopardy. (Other problems include mining in open pits and with sludge dams that led to two of the worse environmental disasters in the world i…

this same problem is one of the side effects of mining for the metals used in things like solar panels it comes at the sacrifice of many non-western countries and this conversation is never on the table it's such a shame things that could otherwise last for thousands of years will get destroyed by a few decades of mismanagement

Never on which table? “Exporting” environmental degradation is an incredibly widely discussed issue. Especially for South America, due to illegal rainforest clearing for soy farming to feed the NA/EU cattle industry, and lithium mining in Argentina, Bolivia and Chile.
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