Ghost jobs are essentially the 'vaporware' of the HR world. In any other department, misrepresenting your intent to engage in a transaction would be seen as a breach of professional ethics. The fact that it has become a standard KPI for HR departments to 'keep the pipeline warm' at the expense of thousands of hours of unpaid candidate labor is a massive market failure.
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'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I am not sure if more regulation is a solution Nothing else is going to fix this.
Maybe official 'name and blame' service where anybody could post their experience under their real name?
Glassdoor could only possibly be accurate because it was anonymous. Of course, that also makes it easier to fake.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've always thought the easiest way to stop spam applications would be to require paper application.
That’s a great idea if you’re hiring locally but we do hire international remote and I suspect no one will snail-mail me an application from the Americas or South Africa to Germany.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#114I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem. And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience as a job seeker was harrowing - even with large, proud companies. I would pass multiple rounds of interviews with senior/director-level interviewers only to never hear back from the company - even after a direct request for an update or feedback. Just total igno…
I just got told I didn't seem "motivated" enough despite spending several rounds / days / hours interviewing and bunch of leetcode questions. Not even that I wasn't skilled or good enough or didn't pass the questions. Pretty sure the last guy just didn't like me for whatever reason.
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#115I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem. And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience as a job seeker was harrowing - even with large, proud companies. I would pass multiple rounds of interviews with senior/director-level interviewers only to never hear back from the company - even after a direct request for an update or feedback. Just total igno…
I wonder why people still apply to FAANG companies, there is nothing to be won by working for them. Your work has zero impact, you're actively paid to enshittify stuff over making it better, you have horrible bureaucracy within the company, they lay off thousands of people per year so your job never really is secure, all of FAANG is ethically corrupt beyond means. I'd never hire a FAANG employee to be honest, while w…
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#116> Dr Escalera adds that she has also heard examples of companies posting jobs to obtain and sell data. How is that not illegal? Pretending to offer jobs just to suck in resumes to some database just seems like it should be illegal. Or just like running scams is illegal but they are in another country "so tough luck, you'll never get us"?
It is not wire fraud because you do not pay to apply. (In general; places that charge applicants are even more scammy.)
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#117I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem. And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience as a job seeker was harrowing - even with large, proud companies. I would pass multiple rounds of interviews with senior/director-level interviewers only to never hear back from the company - even after a direct request for an update or feedback. Just total igno…
I wonder why people still apply to FAANG companies, there is nothing to be won by working for them. Your work has zero impact, you're actively paid to enshittify stuff over making it better, you have horrible bureaucracy within the company, they lay off thousands of people per year so your job never really is secure, all of FAANG is ethically corrupt beyond means. I'd never hire a FAANG employee to be honest, while w…
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#118> Dr Escalera adds that she has also heard examples of companies posting jobs to obtain and sell data. How is that not illegal? Pretending to offer jobs just to suck in resumes to some database just seems like it should be illegal. Or just like running scams is illegal but they are in another country "so tough luck, you'll never get us"?
America has no data protection law, apart from some hyper-specific ones: healthcare, video rental records. That makes all of this data sharing completely legal. As well as that, it is widely agreed there that lying is free speech. It is not wire fraud because you do not pay to apply. (In general; places that charge applicants are even more scammy.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Educational_Rights_and_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bl...
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
America has no data protection law, apart from some hyper-specific ones: healthcare, video rental records. That makes all of this data sharing completely legal. As well as that, it is widely agreed there that lying is free speech. It is not wire fraud because you do not pay to apply. (In general; places that charge applicants are even more scammy.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Pr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Educational_Rights_and_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bl...
Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them
#120I worked in recruiting for a long time and I can tell you I never saw much in the way of any deliberate strategy to create fake job posts. The thing is that whether or not a job exists at a point in time is far less black and white than you might naively think. There are many reasons for it to be somewhat grey and banning the practice doesn’t really mean anything because you would have to quantify precisely under wha…
Can you explain why this is? Or give some examples?
I might be willing to hire for two different levels of seniority/experience, but only one xor the other, not both.
Or be willing to hire for a role in Boston, London, or Zurich, but only one of those.