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A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by raxxorraxor »

themafia wrote: post #44
boh wrote: post #33

AI is pretty much killing social media in the long term. Even pre-AI, a good chunk of posts/comment sections on sites were bots/paid. Reddit is becoming less believable than ChatGPT. I guess there's still the Onion-verse.

I'm not convinced you can have an impromptu global conversation to any positive end. Humans are not well suited to this task and an unsupervised mostly anonymous forum plays to those weaknesses and provides no support to generate positive outcomes. It was never a particularly good idea at the scale it's currently deployed at.

I have the opposite experience. While these anonymous groups tend to be high on vulgarity and directness, there are much more peaceful examples than the other way around. Propaganda got strong when we began to restrict content on social media by the companies themselves or external actors.

This human nature shit is empirically wrong. There are quite a few scammers around. You also meet these people in real life, you just don't notice immediately.

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by yetihehe »

rixed wrote: post #142
pinnochio wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The demographics of who was online before the internet went mainstream matter a lot, here. It wasn't exactly a representative slice of the general population.

The demographics have nothing to do with that, the economic incentive is what changed when it becomes mainstream.

> The demographics have nothing to do with that, [..] changed when it becomes mainstream.

So it's not unreasonable to say that when demographics of forums was changed, the economic incentive appeared? So it actually depends on demographics?

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by kotaKat »

tomhow wrote: post #101
kotaKat wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and it's not a good one.

You’re welcome to suggest a better one! Edit: Fine! I found a way to get a16z in there and keep it to 80 chars.

"Fine!" with a bonus collapsed, censored comment chain.

Awesome, cool job. What petulance we have this morning, Tom.

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by htrp »

rsynnott wrote: post #149
tomhow wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: Fine! I found a way to get a16z in there and keep it to 80 chars. Both for length reasons and because it was clickbait. The original title doesn’t even have the actual company’s name in it, only the name of the investor, which is intended to elicit just the kind of ragey reaction you’re exhibiting in this comment. On HN, titles need to be more neutral and factual (I.e., include the name of the company the artic…

But the whole _point_ is "major VC funding spam outfit", surely? Like, who cares who the spam outfit is? There are lots of them. These phone farms are not exactly rare. The interesting bit is the involvement of a supposedly proper company.

VC backing makes a lot of less than reputable business models respectable enough to engage with corporate clients.

In this case you aren't backing a phone farm creating ad fraud, but rather a "organic paid media initiative backed by a16z"

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by kotaKat »

yodon wrote: post #65

Streisand effect? A mod changed the title to something other than the originally submitted original article title, to protect a major VC. Not cool.

And it’s been shunted to the third page as of 8:20 AM ET the next morning. Really interesting behaviour going on.

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by dredmorbius »

Multicomp wrote: post #85
kps wrote: post #62

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Today is Wednesday the 11796th of September 1993.

Eternal September came up in conversation today about how users don't do effort posts any longer, they just want to leave funny comments below reaction videos and then swipe to the next one. Anyone got any good effort post oases I can lurk and help out in?

Small communities. Usenet ~1990 was ~1m people with access, most at either universities or tech-oriented companies or government labs.

Amongst more general discussion platforms, HN, Metafilter, possibly Tildes.net.

Anything large is by definition popular and common, both terms with freighted meanings. The more so if they're advertising-driven.

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by dredmorbius »

kotaKat wrote: post #153
tomhow wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re welcome to suggest a better one! Edit: Fine! I found a way to get a16z in there and keep it to 80 chars.

"Fine!" with a bonus collapsed, censored comment chain. Awesome, cool job. What petulance we have this morning, Tom.

Meta-discussion isn't in the spirit of intellectual curiosity. HN mods deprioritise and/or bury those threads. Even where the points made are otherwise correct or useful.

tomhow's acknowledged the criticism and revised his edit to reflect it. You've won your argument.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29788452>

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by dredmorbius »

jaredcwhite wrote: post #124
ajross wrote: post #23

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." Seems like the Butlerian Jihad is arriving ahead of schedule, and the real horrors demanding the uprising aren't oppression and violence, but viral marketing and sockpuppetry.

Yeah, but also the violence already started via hacked brains. OpenAI is having to fend off multiple lawsuits because its chatbot users started taking their own lives.

GPT-assisted other-directed violence and/or crime will be a whole new liability game.

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by dredmorbius »

PacificSpecific wrote: post #115
thephyber wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they are in short supply, but the vast majority of them aren’t the super-successful so we don’t see their names often. They are the teachers, coaches, and engineers. The problem is the anti- role models are the ones who get all of the media: Andrew Tate (mysogenistic pyramid schemer and pimp / sex trafficker of high school girls), Joe Rogan (his mind is so open that his brains fell out), Jordan B Peters…

It's admittedly a bit tasteless but Nick Mullins Jordan Peterson impression leaves me in tears every time.

This? https://packaged-media.redd.it/6s7wjgqttnf81/pb/m2-res_480p....> (mp4).

Re: A16z-backed Doublespeed hacked, revealing what its AI-generated accounts promote

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Post by dredmorbius »

ipython wrote: post #5

wow... honestly, reading the Twitter feed for Zuhair ("CEO" of DoubleSpeed) makes me sick. https://x.com/rareZuhair and https://www.zuhair.io/ . If you want more photos of his phone farm... it's all on his twitter page: https://x.com/rareZuhair/status/1961160231322517997 "Accelerating the dead Internet"? Why are we, as a community, encouraging the acceleration of enshitification of our common spaces? So weird to me..…

Accessible link: https://xcancel.com/rareZuhair>.
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