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'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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>it’s to raise stock value by fake growth indicators how does that work as a growth indicator, are there any known organizations that track your growth based on how many job postings you do, and then use that data to indicate your growth? I don't doubt that it could happen, but if it did we would have to know about it, I also don't doubt that I don't know about it, but I would like to know.

> how does that work as a growth indicator, are there any known organizations that track your growth based on how many job postings you do, and then use that data to indicate your growth?

As a wild guess this may be part of the story a company tells itself. Every individual and company needs to tell themselves a nice "story" to feel good about themselves. In case of a company "damn, look how many jobs we're posting, we're growing and doing great" is a nice story to tell. Yeah the owners/manager know it's fake, the people writing the post know it's fake, people receiving applications also know it's fake, yet it still works. On paper officially they can tell each other how great they are doing. This is more likely how a large company would operate.

Another, more positive perspective from a small company I worked for is "ABH" (Always be hiring). That means always post jobs, and continue interviewing, because you might find an exceptional engineer for whom you'd make an exception and hire them. But at least in our case it was always an honest effort every time to sit down and evaluate the candidates, pay them to visit and interview face to face and such. It wasn't a game it indeed took quite a bit of effort on our side.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#12

I know companies that are posting vacancies that currently don't exist in order to keep good candidates on the hook. They tell the candidate that we should keep in touch for when the company is ready to hire them. I am not sure if it's bad or not. It's true that it kinda wastes the candidate's time. In some cases though, the candidate is so good that the company will create a position just for them.

Fraud. The word you're looking for is fraud.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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post #2

Part of me thinks its to see what the competition is doing, see how others are using ai, to train ai, steal ideas/clients (common in the ad/marketing/design) world, train staff to hire, get free consulting. Some say it’s to raise stock value by fake growth indicators or motivate employees that they are replaceable, but I think those 2 are just partially the case.

Another reason maybe to profile the pool of talent that probably gets hired by your competition.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#15
post #13

Can we please get back to using job fairs already? Why are companies so irritatingly resistant to getting back to doing things in-person and real-time?

> Why are companies so irritatingly resistant to getting back to doing things in-person and real-time?

RTO for the recruiters, eh?

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#16

My guess is that most of these jobs actually exist, in the sense that if a stellar candidate were to present theirselves, the organization would find a way to hire them.

The job exists, in the sense that Bob is currently doing it. Unless Bob turns in notice, your application will be in vain.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#17

I worked in recruiting for a long time and I can tell you I never saw much in the way of any deliberate strategy to create fake job posts. The thing is that whether or not a job exists at a point in time is far less black and white than you might naively think. There are many reasons for it to be somewhat grey and banning the practice doesn’t really mean anything because you would have to quantify precisely under wha…

> There is absolutely not a one to one relationship between a job and a job ad.

Sounds like you've figured out exactly the problem then. If you're advertising for a job and there isn't a job then you've got a problem.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#18
I was applying for a while last year. Spending hours to write a cover letter and then either hearing nothing or getting a canned rejection letter is super frustrating. I've come to the conclusion that putting effort into an application is time wasted, so from now on AI is writing pretty much every single one of my cover letters.

Doing that allows me to send out 5 applications in the time it normally takes me to do 1. Since I've seen no actual correlation between effort and success, I figured quantity will give better results than quality. Of course, I might put in actual effort for an opening that I find really interesting, but that's an exception.

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

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> Dr Escalera adds that she has also heard examples of companies posting jobs to obtain and sell data. How is that not illegal? Pretending to offer jobs just to suck in resumes to some database just seems like it should be illegal. Or just like running scams is illegal but they are in another country "so tough luck, you'll never get us"?

Because some animals are more equal than others and the government has decided that companies are not only citizens but the more equal group.

Half the shit companies do that gets them a fine would land any individual in jail for committing the same action, but we let them get away with just paying it off. Simultaneously we give those organizations the same rights.

It’s a system with three classes of citizen where the rich and corporations have a better right to responsibility ratio and the average human has a much worse ratio

Re: 'Ghost jobs' are on the rise – and so are calls to ban them

#20
We could at least require that all applications have a standardized format for resumé and a list of legally allowable questions.

No more requiring the candidate to do 30 minutes of data entry to encode their resumé into your HR system.

Then a ghost job wouldn't really waste much time, since uploading a JSON should take 30 seconds.

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