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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by pylotlight »

pests wrote: post #344
Workaccount2 wrote: post #299

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I desperately want to be able to real-time dictate actions to take on my phone. Stuff like: "Open Chrome, new tab, search for xyz, scroll down, third result, copy the second paragraph, open whatsapp, hit back button, open group chat with friends, paste what we copied and send, send a follow-up laughing tears emoji, go back to chrome and close out that tab" All while being able to just quickly glance at my phone. Ther…

This has been my dream for voice control of PC for ages now. No wake word, no button press, no beeping or nagging, just fluently describe what you want to happen and it does.

without a wake word, it would have to listen and process all parsed audio. you really want everything captured near the device/mic to be sent to external servers?

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by energy123 »

ipsum2 wrote: post #390
qnleigh wrote: post #383

This model is breaking records on my benchmark of choice, which is 'the fraction of Hacker News comments that are positive.' Even people who avoid Google products on principle are impressed. Hardly anyone is arguing that ChatGPT is better in any respect (except brand recognition).

Chatgpt 5.2 thinking is significantly better quality for most knowledge work, but it trades off in speed.

That has been my experience. Primarily because it is allowed to expend far more test-time tokens than Gemini 3.0 Pro to solve the same prompt.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by TacticalCoder »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #233
samyok wrote: post #4

Don’t let the “flash” name fool you, this is an amazing model. I have been playing with it for the past few weeks, it’s genuinely my new favorite; it’s so fast and it has such a vast world knowledge that it’s more performant than Claude Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.2 extra high, for a fraction (basically order of magnitude less!!) of the inference time and price

I wonder at what point will everyone who over-invested in OpenAI will regret their decision (expect maybe Nvidia?). Maybe Microsoft doesn't need to care, they get to sell their models via Azure.

Oracle's stock skyrocketed then took a nosedive. Financial experts warned that companies who bet big on OpenAI like Oracle and Coreweave to pump their stock would go down the drain, and down the drain they went (so far: -65% for Coreweave and nearly -50% of Oracle compared to their OpenAI-hype all-time highs).

Markets seems to be in a: "Show me the OpenAI money" mood at the moment.

And even financial commentators who don't necessarily know a thing about AI can realize that Gemini 3 Pro and now Gemini 3 Flash are giving ChatGPT a run for its money.

Oracle and Microsoft have other source of revenues but for those really drinking the OpenAI koolaid, including OpenAI itself, I sure as heck don't know what the future holds.

My safe bet however is that Google ain't going anywhere and shall keep progressing on the AI front at an insane pace.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by eli »

ipsum2 wrote: post #390
qnleigh wrote: post #383

This model is breaking records on my benchmark of choice, which is 'the fraction of Hacker News comments that are positive.' Even people who avoid Google products on principle are impressed. Hardly anyone is arguing that ChatGPT is better in any respect (except brand recognition).

Chatgpt 5.2 thinking is significantly better quality for most knowledge work, but it trades off in speed.

And GPT costs 4x as much

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by yakbarber »

mips_avatar wrote: post #372
simonw wrote: post #297

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Yeah, I'm surprised that they've been through GT-5.1 and GPT-5.1-Codex and GPT-5.1-Codex-Max and now GPT-5.2 but their most recent mini model is still GPT-5-mini.

I cannot comprehend how they do not care about this segment of the market.

it's easy to comprehend actually. they're putting everything on "having the best model". It doesn't look like they're going to win, but that's still their bet/

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by user34283 »

leemoore wrote: post #354
ralusek wrote: post #289

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Yes it does. I never use Claude anymore outside of agentic tasks.

What demographic are you in that is leaving anthropic in mass that they care about retaining? From what I see Anthropic is targeting enterprise and coding. Claude Code just caught up to cursor (no 2) in revenue and based on trajectories is about to pass GitHub copilot (number 1) in a few more months. They just locked down Deloitte with 350k seats of Claude Enterprise. In my fortune 100 financial company they just fin…

Enterprise is slow. As for developers, we will be switching to Google unless the competition can catch up and deliver a similarly fast model.

Enterprise will follow.

I don't see any distinction in target markets - it's the same market.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by mips_avatar »

yakbarber wrote: post #395
mips_avatar wrote: post #372

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I cannot comprehend how they do not care about this segment of the market.

it's easy to comprehend actually. they're putting everything on "having the best model". It doesn't look like they're going to win, but that's still their bet/

I mean they’re trying to outdo google. So they need to do that.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by jug »

zhyder wrote: post #71

Glad to see big improvement in the SimpleQA Verified benchmark (28->69%), which is meant to measure factuality (built-in, i.e. without adding grounding resources). That's one benchmark where all models seemed to have low scores until recently. Can't wait to see a model go over 90%... then will be years till the competition is over number of 9s in such a factuality benchmark, but that'd be glorious.

Yes, that's very good because it's my main use case for Flash; queries depending on world knowledge. Not science or engineering problems, but think you'd ask someone that has a really broad knowledge about things and can give quick and straightforward answers.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by deegles »

guelo wrote: post #308
giancarlostoro wrote: post #233

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I wonder at what point will everyone who over-invested in OpenAI will regret their decision (expect maybe Nvidia?). Maybe Microsoft doesn't need to care, they get to sell their models via Azure.

OpenAI's doom was written when Altman (and Nadella) got greedy, threw away the nonprofit mission, and caused the exodus of talent and funding that created Anthropic. If they had stayed nonprofit the rest of the industry could have consolidated their efforts against Google's juggernaut. I don't understand how they expected to sustain the advantage against Google's infinite money machine. With Waymo Google showed that…

I think their downfall will be the fact that they don't have a "path to AGI" and have been raising investor money on the promise that they do.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by coldtea »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #370
mikepurvis wrote: post #367

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And Google themselves obviously believe that too as they happily insert AI summaries at the top of most serps now.

Or maybe Google knows most people search inane, obvious things?

Or more likely Google couldn't give a rat's arse whether those AI summaries are good or not (except to the degree that people don't flee it), and what it cares is that they keep users with Google itself, instead of clicking of to other sources.

After all it's the same search engine team that didn't care about its search results - it's main draw - activey going shit for over a decade.

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