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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:52 PM UTC

mmaunder wrote: post #130

I think about what would be most terrifying to Anthropic and OpenAI i.e. The absolute scariest thing that Google could do. I think this is it: Release low latency, low priced models with high cognitive performance and big context window, especially in the coding space because that is direct, immediate, very high ROI for the customer. Now, imagine for a moment they had also vertically integrated the hardware to do thi…

> think about what would be most terrifying to Anthropic and OpenAI

The most terrifying thing would be Google expanding its free tiers.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by int32_64 » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:52 PM UTC

Obertr wrote: post #125

At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed Image model they have released is much worse than nano banana pro, ghibli moment did not happen Their GPT 5.2 is obviously overfit on benchmarks as a consensus of many developers and friends I know. So Opus 4.5 is staying on top when it comes to coding The weight of the ads money from google and general direct…

Is there a "good enough" endgame for LLMs and AI where benchmarks stop mattering because end users don't notice or care? In such a scenario brand would matter more than the best tech, and OpenAI is way out in front in brand recognition.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by happyopossum » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:53 PM UTC

timpera wrote: post #137

Looks awesome on paper. However, after trying it on my usual tasks, it is still very bad at using the French language, especially for creative writing. The gap between the Gemini 3 family and GPT-5 or Sonnet 4.5 is important for my usage. Also, I hate that I cannot send the Google models in a "Thinking" mode like in ChatGPT. When I send GPT 5.1 Thinking on a legal task and tell it to check and cite all sources, it ta…

> whereas the Gemini models, even 3 Pro, always answer after a few seconds and never cite their sources

Definitely has not been my experience using 3 Pro in Gemini Enterprise - in fact just yesterday it took so long to do a similar task I’d thought something was broken. Nope, just re-chrcking a source

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by yieldcrv » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:53 PM UTC

Obertr wrote: post #125

At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed Image model they have released is much worse than nano banana pro, ghibli moment did not happen Their GPT 5.2 is obviously overfit on benchmarks as a consensus of many developers and friends I know. So Opus 4.5 is staying on top when it comes to coding The weight of the ads money from google and general direct…

the trend I've seen is that none of these companies are behind in concept and theory, they are just spending longer intervals baking a more superior foundational model

so they get lapped a few times and then drop a fantastic new model out of nowhere

the same is going to happen to Google again, Anthropic again, OpenAI again, Meta again, etc

they're all shuffling the same talent around, its California, that's how it goes, the companies have the same institutional knowledge - at least regarding their consumer facing options

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by GenerWork » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:54 PM UTC

Obertr wrote: post #125

At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed Image model they have released is much worse than nano banana pro, ghibli moment did not happen Their GPT 5.2 is obviously overfit on benchmarks as a consensus of many developers and friends I know. So Opus 4.5 is staying on top when it comes to coding The weight of the ads money from google and general direct…

I'm actually liking 5.2 in Codex. It's able to take my instructions, do a good job at planning out the implementation, and will ask me relevant questions around interactions and functionality. It also gives me more tokens than Claude for the same price. Now, I'm trying to white label something that I made in Figma so my use case is a lot different from the average person on this site, but so far it's my go to and I don't see any reason at this time to switch.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by iwontberude » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:54 PM UTC

avazhi wrote: post #141

mmaunder wrote: post #130

I think about what would be most terrifying to Anthropic and OpenAI i.e. The absolute scariest thing that Google could do. I think this is it: Release low latency, low priced models with high cognitive performance and big context window, especially in the coding space because that is direct, immediate, very high ROI for the customer. Now, imagine for a moment they had also vertically integrated the hardware to do thi…

"Now, imagine for a moment they had also vertically integrated the hardware to do this." Then you realise you aren't imagining it.

“And then imagine Google designing silicon that doesn’t trail the industry. While you are there we may as well start to imagine Google figures out how to support a product lifecycle that isn’t AdSense”

Google is great on the data science alone, every thing else is an after thought

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by elvin_d » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:55 PM UTC

Gemini 3 are great models but lacking a few things: - app expirience is atrocious, poor UX all over the place. A few examples: silly jumps when reading the text when the model starting to respond, slide-over view in iPad breaking request while Claude and ChatGPT working fine. - Google offer 2 choices: your data used for whatever they want or if you want privacy, the app expirience going even worse.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by dandiep » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:56 PM UTC

For someone looking to switch over to Gemini from OpenAI, are there any gotchas one should be aware of? E.g. I heard some mention of API limits and approvals? Or in terms of prompt writing? What advice do people have?

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by Obertr » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:56 PM UTC

encroach wrote: post #150

Obertr wrote: post #125

At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed Image model they have released is much worse than nano banana pro, ghibli moment did not happen Their GPT 5.2 is obviously overfit on benchmarks as a consensus of many developers and friends I know. So Opus 4.5 is staying on top when it comes to coding The weight of the ads money from google and general direct…

OAI's latest image model outperforms Google's in LMArena in both image generation and image editing. So even though some people may prefer nano banana pro in their own anecdotal tests, the average person prefers GPT image 1.5 in blind evaluations. https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/image-edit

Add This to Gemini distribution which is being adcertised by Google in all of their products, and average Joe will pick the sneakers at the shelf near the checkout rather than healthier option in the back

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by holler » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 6:57 PM UTC

int32_64 wrote: post #162

Obertr wrote: post #125

At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed Image model they have released is much worse than nano banana pro, ghibli moment did not happen Their GPT 5.2 is obviously overfit on benchmarks as a consensus of many developers and friends I know. So Opus 4.5 is staying on top when it comes to coding The weight of the ads money from google and general direct…

Is there a "good enough" endgame for LLMs and AI where benchmarks stop mattering because end users don't notice or care? In such a scenario brand would matter more than the best tech, and OpenAI is way out in front in brand recognition.

this. I don't know any non-tech people who use anything other than chatgpt. On a similar note, I've wondered why Amazon doesn't make a chatgpt-like app with their latest Alexa+ makeover, seems like a missed opportunity. The Alexa app has a feature to talk to the LLM in chat mode, but the overall app is geared towards managing devices.