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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Marsymars wrote: post #485
sroerick wrote: post #167

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I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

> Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a little bit silly. Hey now, my 8 year-old Pixelbook still has 2 more years before it's out of support.

Lol hey man, I'm compiling a typescript monorepo on a very old HP chromebook running Artix literally this week

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by interestpiqued »

hamdingers wrote: post #822
interestpiqued wrote: post #810

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I always find this talking point so weird. Trucks are great and people want them. There is no ultimate truth here where people can't see the light and evil corporations are making us buy trucks. Theyre making trucks because we want them. I love mine, and admittedly don't really "need" it.

This is a fun reply because the easy flippant response is "okay then the propaganda got you." Something neither of us can prove or refute. Pickup trucks are popular in the US and the Americas broadly where they are heavily marketed. Pickup trucks are less popular in places where they are not marketed as heavily. Even outside the auto industry, there is a general consensus that marketing works. Make of that observatio…

I mean I don’t doubt that marketing has some positive return for anyone selling something. But are they marketing me to buy a truck or to buy their truck. There’s a huge distinction.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by interestpiqued »

theshrike79 wrote: post #811
interestpiqued wrote: post #810

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I always find this talking point so weird. Trucks are great and people want them. There is no ultimate truth here where people can't see the light and evil corporations are making us buy trucks. Theyre making trucks because we want them. I love mine, and admittedly don't really "need" it.

People only want them because of the stupid loophole that lets vehicles over a certain weight bypass regulations. If the massive cars cost what they should, people wouldn't buy them as much.

If you mean the tax write down for certain weights then I didn’t even get that so I don’t how that applies.

Not everyone thinks like you. Some people like trucks so they buy em

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Post by sroerick »

ascorbic wrote: post #530
sroerick wrote: post #319

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Other replies here have covered 'work truck' better than anything I'd come up with but I'll also add that some of the reasons people purchase trucks is: - To be able to help your friends move. - To be able to purchase supplies and move big things over long distances. - If you raise horses, you have to have a truck to pull your trailer. - If you own a tow behind or fifth wheel, you have to have a truck to pull it. - I…

So, not work then?

> Other replies here have covered 'work truck' better than anything I'd come up with but I'll also add that some of the reasons people purchase trucks is

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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vel0city wrote: post #435
sroerick wrote: post #319

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Other replies here have covered 'work truck' better than anything I'd come up with but I'll also add that some of the reasons people purchase trucks is: - To be able to help your friends move. - To be able to purchase supplies and move big things over long distances. - If you raise horses, you have to have a truck to pull your trailer. - If you own a tow behind or fifth wheel, you have to have a truck to pull it. - I…

Ive helped my friends move many times. We just rented a uhaul and did it in way fewer trips (one, generally). If we did the same in a regular pickup it would have been a lot more work and a lot more time just to "save" $50 or so. The vast majority of people don't have horses. The vast majority of people don't have a fifth wheel. I've tossed canoes on top of a focus hatchback. You don't need a truck to go canoeing. A…

A lot of people do where I'm from, and I've bottomed out multiple sedans on rough roads outwhere I live. I totaled a vehicle because the rear axel broke for rough roads.

I do all these things with my Camry, I'm pretty sick of having to park 5 miles down the trail, and I wish I had a truck.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by sroerick »

Thlom wrote: post #554
sroerick wrote: post #319

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Other replies here have covered 'work truck' better than anything I'd come up with but I'll also add that some of the reasons people purchase trucks is: - To be able to help your friends move. - To be able to purchase supplies and move big things over long distances. - If you raise horses, you have to have a truck to pull your trailer. - If you own a tow behind or fifth wheel, you have to have a truck to pull it. - I…

The rest of the world does all of this without widespread truck ownership. The reason trucks are so widespread in the US is a combination of culture and regulation, not any special needs Americans have.

I just want a Hilux, man

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vel0city wrote: post #773
tracker1 wrote: post #753

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I'd generally rather see a crew cab pickup on the road than an oversized SUV with a single, tiny person driving solo. There is a lot more utility to a pickup, and the SUV doesn't particularly do much better on fuel economy. That said, my SO has a large SUV, mostly in that I have trouble getting in and out of a low car now, and I'm no longer able to drive myself. My daughter has a smaller SUV/Truck (Hyundai Santa Cruz…

> I'd generally rather see a crew cab pickup on the road than an oversized SUV with a single, tiny person driving solo. If it's the same person doing the same activities, why would you prefer if it's a large truck instead of an SUV? Shouldn't we prefer people realistically right-size their vehicle choices? If it's just a small person driving around running small errands shouldn't they probably be in something other t…

Yeah, maybe it's actually none of your business what other people drive.

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Post by sroerick »

tracker1 wrote: post #753
vel0city wrote: post #425

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Yes this is why every other driveway in the zero lot lines of DFW need 1-2 pickup trucks. Totally. This is way more extreme of usage than 99.99% of trucks made will ever see.

I'd generally rather see a crew cab pickup on the road than an oversized SUV with a single, tiny person driving solo. There is a lot more utility to a pickup, and the SUV doesn't particularly do much better on fuel economy. That said, my SO has a large SUV, mostly in that I have trouble getting in and out of a low car now, and I'm no longer able to drive myself. My daughter has a smaller SUV/Truck (Hyundai Santa Cruz…

For the record, I totaled a Jeep towing a boat that I should have, the whole rear axle tanked

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by frumper »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #872
behringer wrote: post #858

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The math doesn't work when you calculate the same thing based on buying low mileage used cars or leases. You're throwing large amounts of equity away every 4 years. Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve.

> Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve. I have heard this a couple of times now, and I believe it. Is the cause battery wear or pure demand (buyers don't want used EVs for various non technical reasons)?

In California, at one point, you could get a few thousand rebate, if you were in the Central Valley, and additional few thousand rebate. Some local cities gave rebates on top of that, and the federal tax rebate on that. Buy a $45k Model 3 and get back $13k-$15k just for buying it. Rebates like that are going to play havoc with resale values. On top of that, new Tesla's went down in price over the past several years. I think as these incentives taper off we'll see more of a stable drop off.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by sroerick »

foobazgt wrote: post #614
sroerick wrote: post #167

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I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

> I like Teslas a lot, but gave you ever been on a road trip in one? It's pretty brutal. Maybe 50 road trips? Usually hundreds of miles, with the longest at 1000mi. Literally the easiest road trips I've done in my life.

Okay! Cani ask, how long did it take? Every one I've been on took far, far longer
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