Glad to see big improvement in the SimpleQA Verified benchmark (28->69%), which is meant to measure factuality (built-in, i.e. without adding grounding resources). That's one benchmark where all models seemed to have low scores until recently. Can't wait to see a model go over 90%... then will be years till the competition is over number of 9s in such a factuality benchmark, but that'd be glorious.
Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#72this is why samsung is stopping production in flash
This is why they stopped The Flash after season 9 in 2023.
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#73Even before this release the tools (for me: Claude Code and Gemini for other stuff) reached a "good enough" plateau that means any other company is going to have a hard time making me (I think soon most users) want to switch. Unless a new release from a different company has a real paradigm shift, they're simply sufficient. This was not true in 2023/2024 IMO. With this release the "good enough" and "cheap enough" int…
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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#74Thinking along the line of speed, I wonder if a model that can reason and use tools at 60fps would be able to control a robot with raw instructions and perform skilled physical work currently limited by the text-only output of LLMs. Also helps that the Gemini series is really good at multimodal processing with images and audio. Maybe they can also encode sensory inputs in a similar way. Pipe dream right now, but 50 y…
Believe it or not, there's Gemini Robotics, which seems to be exactly what you're talking about:
https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-robotics/
Previous discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43344082
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#75This is awesome. No preview release either, which is great to production. They are pushing the prices higher with each release though: API pricing is up to $0.5/M for input and $3/M for output For comparison: Gemini 3.0 Flash: $0.50/M for input and $3.00/M for output Gemini 2.5 Flash: $0.30/M for input and $2.50/M for output Gemini 2.0 Flash: $0.15/M for input and $0.60/M for output Gemini 1.5 Flash: $0.075/M for inp…
Are these the current prices or the prices at the time the models were released?
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#76Since it now includes 4 thinking levels (minimal-high) I'd really appreciate if we got some benchmarks across the whole sweep (and not just what's presumably high).
Flash is meant to be a model for lower cost, latency-sensitive tasks. Long thinking times will both make TTFT >> 10s (often unacceptable) and also won't really be that cheap?
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#77Does anyone else understand what the difference is between Gemini 3 'Thinking' and 'Pro'? Thinking "Solves complex problems" and Pro "Thinks longer for advanced math & code".
I assume that these are just different reasoning levels for Gemini 3, but I can't even find mention of there being 2 versions anywhere, and the API doesn't even mention the Thinking-Pro dichotomy.
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#78Don’t let the “flash” name fool you, this is an amazing model. I have been playing with it for the past few weeks, it’s genuinely my new favorite; it’s so fast and it has such a vast world knowledge that it’s more performant than Claude Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.2 extra high, for a fraction (basically order of magnitude less!!) of the inference time and price
Oh wow - I recently tried 3 Pro preview and it was too slow for me.
After reading your comment I ran my product benchmark against 2.5 flash, 2.5 pro and 3.0 flash.
The results are better AND the response times have stayed the same. What an insane gain - especially considering the price compared to 2.5 Pro. I'm about to get much better results for 1/3rd of the price. Not sure what magic Google did here, but would love to hear a more technical deep dive comparing what they do different in Pro and Flash models to achieve such a performance.
Also wondering, how did you get early access? I'm using the Gemini API quite a lot and have a quite nice internal benchmark suite for it, so would love to toy with the new ones as they come out.
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#79Disappointed to see continued increased pricing for 3 Flash (up from $0.30/$2.50 to $0.50/$3.00 for 1M input/output tokens). I'm more excited to see 3 Flash Lite. Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite needs a lot more steering than regular 2.5 Flash, but it is a very capable model and combined with the 50% batch mode discount it is CHEAP ($0.05/$0.20).
Have you seen any indications that there will be a Lite version?
Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed
#80So much for "Monopolies get lazy, they just rent seek and don't innovate"
Also so much for the "wall, stagnation, no more data" folks. Womp womp.