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Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by SyrupThinker »

I wonder if this suffers from the same issue as 3 Pro, that it frequently "thinks" for a long time about date incongruity, insisting that it is 2024, and that information it receives must be incorrect or hypothetical.

Just avoiding/fixing that would probably speed up a good chunk of my own queries.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by GaggiX »

minimaxir wrote: post #26
GaggiX wrote: post #3

They went too far, now the Flash model is competing with their Pro version. Better SWE-bench, better ARC-AGI 2 than 3.0 Pro. I imagine they are going to improve 3.0 Pro before it's no more in Preview. Also I don't see it written in the blog post but Flash supports more granular settings for reasoning: minimal, low, medium, high (like openai models), while pro is only low and high.

"minimal" is a bit weird. > Matches the “no thinking” setting for most queries. The model may think very minimally for complex coding tasks. Minimizes latency for chat or high throughput applications. I'd prefer a hard "no thinking" rule than what this is.

It still supports the legacy mode of setting the budget, you can set it to 0 and it would be equivalent to none reasoning effort like gpt 5.1/5.2

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by Fiveplus »

It is interesting to see the "DeepMind" branding completely vanish from the post. This feels like the final consolidation of the Google Brain merger. The technical report mentions a new "MoE-lite" architecture. Does anyone have details on the parameter count? If this is under 20B params active, the distillation techniques they are using are lightyears ahead of everyone else.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by bgirard »

simonsarris wrote: post #10

Even before this release the tools (for me: Claude Code and Gemini for other stuff) reached a "good enough" plateau that means any other company is going to have a hard time making me (I think soon most users) want to switch. Unless a new release from a different company has a real paradigm shift, they're simply sufficient. This was not true in 2023/2024 IMO. With this release the "good enough" and "cheap enough" int…

Why wouldn't you switch? The cost to switch is near zero for me. Some tools have built in model selectors. Direct CLI/IDE plug-ins practically the same UI.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by srameshc »

__jl__ wrote: post #30

This is awesome. No preview release either, which is great to production. They are pushing the prices higher with each release though: API pricing is up to $0.5/M for input and $3/M for output For comparison: Gemini 3.0 Flash: $0.50/M for input and $3.00/M for output Gemini 2.5 Flash: $0.30/M for input and $2.50/M for output Gemini 2.0 Flash: $0.15/M for input and $0.60/M for output Gemini 1.5 Flash: $0.075/M for inp…

Thanks that was a great breakup of cost. I just assumed before that it was the same pricing. The pricing probably comes from the confidence and the buzz around Gemini 3.0 as one of the best performing models. But competetion is hot in the area and it's not too far where we get similar performing models for cheaper price.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by tmaly »

user_7832 wrote: post #8

Two quick questions to Gemini/AI Studio users: 1, has anyone actually found 3 Pro better than 2.5 (on non code tasks)? I struggle to find a difference beyond the quicker reasoning time and fewer tokens. 2, has anyone found any non-thinking models better than 2.5 or 3 Pro? So far I find the thinking ones significantly ahead of non thinking models (of any company for that matter.)

Not for coding but for the design aspect, 3 outshines 2.5

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by JeremyHerrman »

Disappointed to see continued increased pricing for 3 Flash (up from $0.30/$2.50 to $0.50/$3.00 for 1M input/output tokens).

I'm more excited to see 3 Flash Lite. Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite needs a lot more steering than regular 2.5 Flash, but it is a very capable model and combined with the 50% batch mode discount it is CHEAP ($0.05/$0.20).

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by Davidzheng »

user_7832 wrote: post #8

Two quick questions to Gemini/AI Studio users: 1, has anyone actually found 3 Pro better than 2.5 (on non code tasks)? I struggle to find a difference beyond the quicker reasoning time and fewer tokens. 2, has anyone found any non-thinking models better than 2.5 or 3 Pro? So far I find the thinking ones significantly ahead of non thinking models (of any company for that matter.)

I think it's probably actually better at math. Though still not enough to be useful in my research in a substantial way. Though I suspect this will change suddenly at some point as the models move past a certain threshold (also it is heavily limited by the fact that the models are very bad at not giving wrong proofs/counterexamples) so that even if the models are giving useful rates of successes, the labor to sort through a bunch of trash makes it hard to justify.
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