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Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Throwing stone from a glass box eh? If I understand correctly, US is by far the largest services exporter to EU… should EU merely apply the same “tariffs” that US might impose on these goods, some healthy European alternatives would finally gain some ground..

What alternatives to Microsoft, Google, IBM or AWS exist in Europe?

A lot. Have a look: https://european-alternatives.eu/

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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Good to hear, but probably depends on the country. Ireland is all-in on Azure and only deepening ties.

Same with Holland. The tax office is moving away from their own office package onto m365 right now. They apparently had an alternative all this time, which I find very surprising (the media didn't really elaborate on this). But Holland, Ireland, UK are the most neoliberal countries in Europe, they worship America and believe that the market solves everything. The rest of europe doesn't share that sentiment to the sam…

Dutch gov is one of our recent customers! govs are big things and have lots of parts that dont always talk to each other.

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Accenture is operating from Ireland, legally speaking. It may be in American hands, serving American shareholders and American interests, and it may have been started as a European front for an American business, but it's technically an EU company. I don't think those kinds of details matter to a government looking to start yet another trade war, though. The list is based on the question "what legally European tech c…

By this logic, FAANG is also EU

FAANG usually only operate what is necessary to collect payment and maybe do some lobbying on the side. Accenture actually has a full HQ with people on the ground in Europe.

But yes, legally speaking, FAANG is also EU, same way Volkswagen is an American company. That's not really how people tend to talk about these companies, though.

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The EU can only fine US tech giants because it's good at suffocating its own European companies with some of its members states having one of the highest taxes and subject to the EU's regulations. It's no wonder AI startups like Mistral (France) are so dependent on US VCs and the same is true with Lovable (Sweden) who were able to grow faster than Europe trying to strangle them. Since there are rare startup home-runs…

You're pretending like the fines target US companies. GDPR fines target malpractice and mishandling of data. The DMC seeks to break up artificial digital market monopolies. These apply to corporations operating in the EU, with no basis on where they operate from. Don't want to get punished for creating an uncompetitive monopoly? Don't create an uncompetitive monopoly.

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https://xcancel.com/ustraderep/status/2000990028835508258

Remind me to never look at twitter replies again, by far most counterproductive threads I've seen

70% is bot traffic, the rest is brain damaged terminally online human shells.

It really isn't representative of the real world average human intelligence and capacity to debate or even discuss ideas.

Re: US threatens EU digital services market access

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EU has the capital but does it have the knowledge workers to build out alternatives?

The problem isn't knowledge workers, we have plenty. The problem is that given the choice between being paid $55k for a EU based company and spend half your salary in rent vs making $200k+ working for a US based company most people chose money. Even without relocating, working for a US based company in Europe makes more sense...

Working for Dassault or Rheinmetall on high tech military equipment will net you less than half what you'd get helping Facebook come up with the most effective way to cram as many ads as physically possible in your fellow citizens' lives... it's like we got our priorities backward and reward things than shouldn't even exist

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