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Ads? Nothing says you have to track users, if you're not looking to optimize ad monetization per user. And I daresay there are a fair number of companies who would love to get even blind exposure to Mozilla's userbase.
Why would people use Mozilla's app and not WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal, or others?
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I'm still sad they shelved Mozilla Persona due to low adoption. There is a hole in the market around privacy and identity, and Mozilla would be a natural choice to fill it, but it's going to be an uphill battle to get major sites and end users on board. Not a job to be envious about indeed.
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I've been thinking about this for a while, ever since The Framework DHH incident.
Basically, framework sent DHH a free laptop and funded his ruby conference and "arch distro." DHH meanwhile has some white supremacist musings on his blog. The Framework community flips out, talks about betrayal. There's people in the forums talking about how they were about to buy a fleet of machines but now will have to go back to Dell or whoever.
I was in the thread trying to understand - ok, we're doing ethical math here, right? We liked Framework because ostensibly buying from them reduced our e waste in the long run, and maybe is long run cheaper since we can do our own repairs on easily available parts. Meanwhile, Framework turns around and gives maybe 10k to someone who is prominently pulling a shitload of people into Linux world with Omarchy, who happens to have some disgusting opinions on his blog. I feel like switching to the main companies like Dell or HP or whoever, comes with way darker ethical implications. I mean one of these companies are the ones that provision the IDF, some of them have donated to Trump's ballroom wayyy more than the Ruby conf donation, they all have horrifying supply chains, and not to mention, don't come with any of the environmental benefits of a Framework machine.
So, why is Framework examined under a more critical lense?
My takeaway was twofold: first, people seem ok to dip their toes in activist progressivism to a degree, but are basically primed to throw their hands up and say, "I knew it, default capitalism really is insurmountable, oh well, back to the devil I know, no point in trying ANYTHING!" Second, people seem deeply focused on aesthetics rather than practical outcomes. Framework's far larger contributions to Linux space are instantly nullified by one relatively small donation to a guy who himself has massive contributions to FOSS but also a couple of really gross blog posts. It's not ok to cut away the gross bits: the entire thing is polluted.
I tried to point out the dangerous game being played since I can guarantee I can find a more ethically pure environmental anarchist than any supposed progressive on the forum - after all, the more environmental decision isn't to buy a Framework, it's to rescue a Thinkpad from a landfill, and by the way, anybody here still driving to work instead of taking the bus? And so on. People were, politely, shutting me down. "It's not the same, all framework has to do is apologize for the DHH thing and it'll all be ok." Sure, until it gets out that the CEO was at Trump's inauguration, or that the local Taiwanese office works with super shady parts suppliers, or... Seems to me the best thing to do is try to make a rough ethical calculation based on practicalities rather than purity testing, but nah.
So, if you're going to do something good in this society, you need to not just be much more ethical than the heteronormative capitalist participants, you need to be unimpeachable.
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Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…
> - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google As much hate as Brave gets overall, I think Mozilla should take a page from Brave's book if they're going to make a search engine. I think they should have their own index, possibly supplemented by Bing or Google. Let people opt-in to using their browsers to help crawl for the search engine index, like Brave does. Then add in some power-user features…
This is really cool.
I'd be happy with a re-branded SearX/SearXNG, with a paid cloud hosted instance from Mozilla that uses a shared base index plus your own crawled pages or optionally contribute your crawls back to the shared index.
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> In 2018, Baker received $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, Baker's salary was more than $3 million. > In 2021, her salary rose again to more than $5.5 million, > and again to over $6.9 million in 2022. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation
And what percent of revenue was this?
Copying portion of the comment I said under another comment: I and many stuck with Firefox despite being it being horrible until quantum release because Mozilla was aligned with community. But their tech is better now but they aren't aligned with community. It was the community that made Firefox overtake IE. They seem to forget that. Unless its gonna come pre-installed like chrome, they need community make the user b…
I switched back to Firefox around the quantum release and have been very happy with it since. I certainly have some complaints, but it's night and day compared to what Google wants me to deal with.
Not to mention there is more than just technical aspect with Firefox and community. A lot of people have invested a ton of time in it.
Mozilla warrants all the flack they are getting. I am just saying they can't virtue signal their way through this. It wont work.
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Translate sure. Image search? I have a search engine for that. Live captions? Didn’t ask for that, wouldn’t use it. Dubbing? Ditto. Summary? Wouldn’t trust an AI for that, plus it’s just more tik-tokification. No fucking thanks. I don’t need to experience life as short blips of everything. Rewrite text better? Might as well kill myself once I’m ready to let a predictive text bot write shit in my place. So… no thanks.
Live captions and dubbing can be a game changer for: - non native speakers - moving away from the english-centric web - impaired people
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Translate sure. Image search? I have a search engine for that. Live captions? Didn’t ask for that, wouldn’t use it. Dubbing? Ditto. Summary? Wouldn’t trust an AI for that, plus it’s just more tik-tokification. No fucking thanks. I don’t need to experience life as short blips of everything. Rewrite text better? Might as well kill myself once I’m ready to let a predictive text bot write shit in my place. So… no thanks.
You personally wouldn't use live captions and dubbing, so there's no point building it for the millions of people who need it as an accessibility feature?
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Eich chose to resign due to internal and external protest in the form of petitions and resignations. No one forced him to do anything, and Mozilla itself certainly didn't force him out. His free speech was met with the free speech of others, and he decided it was too painful to stay in that spotlight. How would you prefer it to have gone?
Not to have him cancelled in the first place. No need to pretend that doing something under the mob pressure is the same as doing something entirely willingly
"Cancellation" is a state of being famous enough that your controversial beliefs upset a large, loud number of people. In Eich's case, it threatened to have no effect on his career. He chose to change his career because of it.
Eich expressed his First Amendment rights, and other people expressed theirs in return. Why should either of them give up those rights for fear of offending the other?
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Translate sure. Image search? I have a search engine for that. Live captions? Didn’t ask for that, wouldn’t use it. Dubbing? Ditto. Summary? Wouldn’t trust an AI for that, plus it’s just more tik-tokification. No fucking thanks. I don’t need to experience life as short blips of everything. Rewrite text better? Might as well kill myself once I’m ready to let a predictive text bot write shit in my place. So… no thanks.
> Image search? I have a search engine for that. I'd use it. Why does it need to be another site? I'd trust Mozilla more than I trust Google. Do you really feel different? Plus, Search by Image[0] is one of the most popular extensions, with 3x as many people using it as tree-style tabs. I don't use it but a grammar tool is the next most popular[1], so I could see this being quite a useful feature. But the other stuff…
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I am sorry sir. Somebody who says they want to put back control to people using Internet and someone saying humans over profit cant NOT expect pushback for their actions. They are going against the entire community. You cant go for the saviour of the open internet , BS the community and not get push back. I would argue mozilla doesnt have general audience like google chrome. They have OSS enthusiasts, privacy enthusi…
I'm not saying whether they should/shouldn't get pushback about these things - just that 95% of this pushback in places like this comes from Firefox definitely has a general audience much larger than any measure of power users. More than half of the users don't have a single extension installed, and that counts language pack extensions. Half have The average Firefox user is nothing like you or I, nor will they find t…
The folks Mozilla is trying to attract don't care for all of these. Their biggest selling point is privacy and being community friendly. If it's getting deteriorated, why should the general folks who don't know what Manifest V3 is install it?
Especially when tech enthusiasts are talking bad about it. What impression does it make to a non-tech guy who woke up one day drinking filter coffee and thought... Huh! From today onwards, I want privacy!!??