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Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by masklinn »

reissbaker wrote: post #189
nextaccountic wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone share a Github bot that doesn't depend on actions? I mean maybe https://github.com/rust-lang/bors is enough to fully replace Github Actions? (not sure)

You can use webhooks to replace Github Actions: https://docs.github.com/en/webhooks/about-webhooks Listen to webhooks for new commits + PRs, and then use the commit status API to push statuses: https://docs.github.com/en/rest/commits/statuses?apiVersion=...

Yep, this mostly works fine (and can be necessary already in some setups anyway), the main issues are that each status update requires an API call (over v3, AFAIK updating statuses was never added to v4) so if you have a lot of statuses and PR traffic you can hit rate limits annoyingly quickly, and github will regularly fail to deliver or forward webhooks (also no ordering guarantees).

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by zahlman »

colechristensen wrote: post #199
zahlman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile I'm just running `pytest`, `pyproject-build`, `twine` etc. at the command line.... (People seem to object to this comment. I genuinely do not understand why.)

You don't trust devs to run things, to have git hooks installed, to have a clean environment, to not have uncommitted changes, to not have a diverging environment on their laptop. Actions let you test things in multiple environments, to test them with credentials against resources devs don't have access to, to do additional things like deploys, managing version numbers, on and on With CI, especially pull requests, yo…

> You don't trust devs to run things, to have git hooks installed, to have a clean environment, to not have uncommitted changes, to not have a diverging environment on their laptop.

... Is nobody in charge on the team?

Or is it not enough that devs adhere to a coding standard, work to APIs etc. but you expect them to follow a common process to get there (as opposed to what makes them individually most productive)?

> You can run periodic tests once a day like an hour long smoke test.

Which is great if you have multiple people expected to contribute on any given day. Quite a bit of development on GitHub, and in general, is not so... corporate.

I don't deny there are use cases for this sort of thing. But people on HN talking about "hosting things locally" seem to describe a culture utterly foreign to me. I don't, for example, use multiple computers throughout the house that I want to "sync". (I don't even use a smartphone.) I really feel strongly that most people in tech would be better served by questioning the existing complexity of their lives (and setups), than by questioning what they're missing out on.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by featherless »

larkost wrote: post #168
bdbdbdb wrote: post #120

This seems backwards. Why charge for me to run the thing myself instead of them?

GitHub has still been managing the orchestration and monitoring of runs that you run on your own (or other cloud) hardware. They have just decided that they are no longer going to do this for free. So the question becomes: is $0.002/minute a good price for this. I have never run GitHub Actions, so I am going to assume that experience on other, similar, systems applies. So if your job takes an hour to build and run th…

As a solo Founder who recently invested in self-hosted build infrastructure because my company runs ~70,000 minutes/month, this change is going to add an extra $140/month for hardware I own. And that's just today; this number will only go up over time.

I am not open to GitHub extracting usage-based rent for me using my own hardware.

This is the first time in my 15+ years of using GitHub that I'm seriously evaluating alternative products to move my company to.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by Alupis »

llama052 wrote: post #230
pmontra wrote: post #170

At $0.002 per minute there are at most 90 dollars in a month. Maybe even after an year of cumulative costs it's less then the cost of switching to something else. Maybe even after many and many years of cumulative costs: the larger the company the more expensive corporate inertia gets.

Our org is showing around 200-300$/mo in added fees and we are exclusively self hosting in our own on premise cluster. Kind of wild we have to pay to use our own compute.

In fairness to Github, bringing your own runners isn't "free" on their end. The orchestration happens server-side, so there is some level of cost. I don't know if that justifies the $0.002/min price - just wanted to point this out.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by yoyohello13 »

eduardogarza wrote: post #136

This is my first comment on HN despite being a user for over a decade -- this is one of the most outrageous pricing changes I've encountered - I couldn't believe it when I read the email earlier (I run self-hosted runners). Anyone using GitLab or any other VCM that you'd recommend? I'm absolutely done with Github. Or is everything else just as bad?

We self host GitLab and it’s been amazing. Never down, all the features we need. And the CI is, at least for me, easier to understand than GH actions. You’re just running scripts in a container no weird abstractions.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by drcongo »

hoten wrote: post #233

I wonder how much they made from engineering practices such as https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792 . To spell it out: jobs can hang forever because of some ridiculously bad code on their end, they have a 6 hour cap, so that's 6 hours of billable $$$ per-instance of the bug (assuming it wasn't manually canceled). I know I've seen jobs hang forever regularly over the course of my years using GitHub for work.…

Oh, I had that happen fairly recently.

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by progval »

naikrovek wrote: post #212
bdbdbdb wrote: post #120

This seems backwards. Why charge for me to run the thing myself instead of them?

Because they host the artifacts, logs, and schedule jobs which run on your runners, I assume.

Then why do they charge by the minute instead of gigabytes and number of events?

Re: Pricing Changes for GitHub Actions

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Post by llama052 »

Alupis wrote: post #266
llama052 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our org is showing around 200-300$/mo in added fees and we are exclusively self hosting in our own on premise cluster. Kind of wild we have to pay to use our own compute.

In fairness to Github, bringing your own runners isn't "free" on their end. The orchestration happens server-side, so there is some level of cost. I don't know if that justifies the $0.002/min price - just wanted to point this out.

Oh absolutely, but honestly the self hosted runner setups that I'm familiar with are just waiting for a call. As far as I can tell GH side just routes.
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