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Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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I can agree with side.cr, and lyft.. That they are simply a platform by which drivers, and those wanting to be driven are able to reach other. However... Even though payment is voluntary the drivers are participating in a transportation service, and are subject to being regulated as one; non-profit or not.

Not a perfect example of this but similar is that craigslist might be a communication tool for those dealing in prostitution, but they are not the ones committing the crime.

Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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If I were the rental car lobby, I would be putting pressure on regulators to make things as hard as possible for these companies. They are startups, so it's hard for them to put up much of a fight.

It would be very different if Google was behind ride sharing. It took someone the size of Apple to work with the music industry to sell mainstream music legally to the masses.

Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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I think the idea of ride sharing is pretty cool. But to be fair when I read about some of the ride services, they kinda are just unregulated taxi services.

If somebody's heading to the airport and I get to hitch a ride with them - that's a ride share. Having drivers waiting for ride requests and then taking them wherever they want to go - call me crazy but that doesn't seem like ride sharing to me.

Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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I can agree with side.cr, and lyft.. That they are simply a platform by which drivers, and those wanting to be driven are able to reach other. However... Even though payment is voluntary the drivers are participating in a transportation service, and are subject to being regulated as one; non-profit or not. Not a perfect example of this but similar is that craigslist might be a communication tool for those dealing in…

The problem is that "communication platforms" don't normally run background checks, process payments, or offer insurance policies. Ironically, getting rid of these things - which serve to make the service safer - probably would make them more legally sound.

Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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post #5

If I were the rental car lobby, I would be putting pressure on regulators to make things as hard as possible for these companies. They are startups, so it's hard for them to put up much of a fight. It would be very different if Google was behind ride sharing. It took someone the size of Apple to work with the music industry to sell mainstream music legally to the masses.

>It took someone the size of Apple to work with the music industry to sell mainstream music legally to the masses.

This is historically inaccurate; Apple was merely the first to do so at such scale. UMG/Sony/WMG all had the 99cents/10dollar albums by 2000, the iTMS wasn't available until 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_music_store#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_version_history

Re: Ridesharing startups hit with cease-and-desist by California regulator

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I know people in the echo chamber don't like to hear this, but ridesharing is not an innovation. Los Angeles and Chicago have had ridesharing programs for at least a decade. Hell, even Cleveland had a ridesharing program years before Uber or Lyft were founded (and that was how I got around Cleveland in law school).

Uber and Lyft call themselves "ridesharing" programs where passengers "donate" money to a driver who "just happens" to be going to the same destination as his passengers but who will not remain at that destination and who will probably pick up more passengers shortly thereafter and "coincidentally" drive them to their desired location in exchange for a "donation." Uber and Lyft can use all the euphemisms they want, but they what they are is the very definition of a for-hire car service.

The fact that they straddle the line between two types of regulated car services (cabs and limos/"charter car") does not change the essence of the commercial transaction that takes place. The fact that a mobile app or website is used to arrange the transaction instead of a phone call does not change the essence of the commercial transaction that takes place.

Regulations on cars-for-hire exist for a reason: to protect the safety of passengers by ensuring a minimal level of competence and to ensure recompense via adequate capital or insurance in the event of an accident. These regulations work remarkably well, which is why so many people think they are unnecessary.

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