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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by epolanski »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #131
epolanski wrote: post #102

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Cars are not critical infrastructure, also, the idea that China would turn off their EVs or starting to use them as weapons from the other side of the world is borderline absurd. Occam's razor suggests that the simplest solution is the most probable: they are scared of the competition, because they know that if those cars enter the market they will dominate it.

> Cars are not critical infrastructure Their production infrastructure is. > the idea that China would turn off their EVs or starting to use them as weapons from the other side of the world is borderline absurd Is it? If we got into a shooting match with Beijing, would we not try to hijack Tesla’s OTA features to disrupt their economy?

Again, as other users pointed out, Chinese manufacturing is in everything networking related from 5g antennas to switches and routers.

Yet we don't ban those on security concerns.

Thus, this points to the fact that it's merely being scared of competition, not security.

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Post by black_puppydog »

class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

Dear god, what about this monstrosity is supposed to be "small"?!

Seriously, people should take a look at how professionals around tye world are managing just fine with anything from a cargo bike via VW caddy to sprinters....

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Post by aboodman »

Mawr wrote: post #541
NetMageSCW wrote: post #474

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Citation needed This sound like every EVangalist who says road trips aren’t important when most everyone takes at least one a year.

Citation: "Ford F-Series Is America’s Best-Selling Model For The 43rd Consecutive Year (2024)" Either the US has a lot of electricians and plumbers, all those people aren't buying these trucks because they need them. Just look anywhere outside the US — nobody buys trucks like these. And that's because they're incredibly niche. They're worse than all other options. A regular sedan is a better everyday car and can fulf…

I live in Hawaii where the Toyota Tacoma is basically the state mascot. I owned almost exclusively sedans before I moved here. A friend from the bay area moved here several years ago and argued he wouldn't need a pickup, but ended up getting a Rivian within a year or so.

The pickup is more practical than a van here because you end up hauling a lot of dirty/sandy/wet stuff. Yes, you could put this in your van, but hooray now you have sand and water in your van that you need to clean out (and you do need to because the heat will turn it into mildew immediately if you don't). The bed of the truck is outside. It dries out on its own. The sand falls out on its own.

I can't speak for other parts of the US, but use cases can be subtle and I would be slightly cautious about deciding that 300M people and a several trillion dollar market has been completely irrational for decades.

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Post by uep »

theshrike79 wrote: post #559
qingcharles wrote: post #395

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I live in an area that has probably >100% pick-up ownership per adult male. I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. Seems like a bad vehicle for grocery runs.

I don't get the whole American thing for Pick-up trucks. Unless you're hauling hay or manure, why would you want your cargo area exposed to the elements? A normal van is better in every single way. I can't figure out why someone would put their expensive tools in a pick-up's bed when this is an option: https://modulinecabinets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/van-...

I used to work for a general contractor who did residential remodels and construction, and a little bit of commercial work. He exclusively used cargo vans. He would carpet the interior to protect the cargo and your knees. It made me question why anyone would use a truck. As you alluded to, it doesn't just protect from the elements, but also from thieves stealing tools out of the back of your truck.

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Post by markdown »

asciimov wrote: post #431
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

Maybe for city truck drivers. For those that don't drive in town, noting beats gas or diesel. Companies need to build a stepping stone truck. Dino-powered generator on an electric platform. Get most of the upside to electric performance, while getting the speed gas refilling.

> Companies need to build a stepping stone truck.

The worlds biggest electric car company made the Shark, a plug-in EV hybrid. Sold for US$40k in Australia.

https://bydautomotive.com.au/shark-6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7EnaR_9XGs

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Post by moron4hire »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #565
qingcharles wrote: post #395

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I live in an area that has probably >100% pick-up ownership per adult male. I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. Seems like a bad vehicle for grocery runs.

Wait do people put their groceries they intend to eat on the bed of their trucks, exposed to exhaust, asphalt, tire rubber and all other forms of road pollution?

No, we typically leave all the food in the packaging first.

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Post by hbarka »

Ford and GM made massive investments in tooling for EV manufacturing and just started production. CEO Farley then meets with the current administration and suddenly Ford is pulling the brakes on those factories, laying off thousands and taking $20B in accounting write-down. Imagine doing that. What pressure was must have been exerted on Farley.

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Post by godelski »

shawn_w wrote: post #562
iris-digital wrote: post #455

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It's funny because when I saw the Slate, I thought it was cool, but the bed was a bit too short to camp in. And there was a large front trunk, a little too large I thought. If only they could take a bit off the front, and put it in the back. And then I saw the Telo! Hah, they went too far in the opposite direction. Something between these two is what I'd like.

Haven't heard of the Slate before. Not sure about only having two doors but the price is a lot more attractive.

Funny, I've never head of Telo before, but I'd trade the rear cab for more bed length. 6' is a good length where you can fit a lot more things.

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Post by hamburglar »

sh34r wrote: post #181
shmoe wrote: post #160

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They also could've offered a fleet ready version without the luxury features, but must've decided not to. They did offer a fleet version.. the "Pro".

I mean, what do we expect from this brainless company that promised a $20k Maverick and let the stealerships mark it up to over $40k?

I paid $24k for my maverick. There were tons of dealers who had marked it up to the low 30’s and told me I’d never get one for MSRP. I said, “I guess I’ll wait.” I had to wait a whole 2 weeks.

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Post by Swenrekcah »

moron4hire wrote: post #576
Swenrekcah wrote: post #565

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Wait do people put their groceries they intend to eat on the bed of their trucks, exposed to exhaust, asphalt, tire rubber and all other forms of road pollution?

No, we typically leave all the food in the packaging first.

Still, the packaging then presumably goes into the fridge and cupboards? And I would imagine there would be fresh produce in the bag as well?

Maybe it makes sense, it just sounds unpleasant to me.

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