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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by vel0city »

qball wrote: post #483
vel0city wrote: post #358

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This is exactly the situation. ICE also has a massive range hit as well, it's just easy to put a massive fuel tank in to get a stupid amount of range not towing compared to a battery electric that struggles to get a similar range. When you start with almost 600mi losing half isn't too bad, when it's maybe 300mi on a good day and you cut it in half is just not as usable for that usage. That said, if it's not the towin…

Additionally, all ICE cars can charge from 0-100% in under 5 minutes. Even if their towing range was somehow less than an EV, it would matter less because you don't have to spend an hour at a charging station.

> spend an hour at a charging station

This is exaggeration. A half hour for a well-loaded truck, sure, but an hour is generally exaggeration.

And as for five minutes for a fill up, it's usually more than five for a regular fill-up on a regular passenger car for me compared to just continuing on.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by malfist »

tekno45 wrote: post #320
inasio wrote: post #301

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My electrician drives an electric F-150, it's impressive how useful it is for him. The frunk carries a big box of tools, there's tons of outlets to charge his power tool batteries, he can even run a small welder

The F-150 is a great power bank that comes with a very useful set of 4 tires and a steering wheel for a truly portable charging experience.

I justified the lightning purchase to my partner by pointing out having an equivalent whole house battery backup in Tesla power walls would be more expensive than the truck

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Post by nine_k »

frutiger wrote: post #458
nine_k wrote: post #333

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In NYC al the Amazon delivery trucks I see are purpose-built Rivians. And this is the hyper-frugal, penny-pinching Amazon.

Most of the Amazon delivery trucks I see are big trucks with Ryder on the side or electric cargo bikes with Prime on the side. This is in Manhattan mostly below 60th St. though, that might be the difference?

Maybe these should property be called vans, not trucks. This is the only kind of four-wheel Amazon delivery vehicle I've seen through 2025: https://www.wglt.org/business-and-economy/2021-02-03/amazon-...

My observations are from lower Manhattan and various parts of Brooklyn.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by vel0city »

rsync wrote: post #405
lern_too_spel wrote: post #341

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Chevrolet makes these. The Blazer and the Blazer EV look roughly the same. The Equinox and Equinox EV look more different but not completely different. The Silverado and the Silverado EV look completely different, but given those other models, I don't think it's for lack of trying. Similarly, Volvo's EX cars look almost exactly like their XC counterparts.

"Similarly, Volvo's EX cars look almost exactly like their XC counterparts." Interesting you should mention ... Here is the interior of the 2025 XC90: https://0x.co/AJ5PVP ... and here is the 2025 EX90: https://0x.co/Z3ZQPF That's not a mistake and they know exactly what they are doing: they think they can sell the EX90 in addition to the XC90 and the dramatically different UI/UX/styling is an effort to keep the XC m…

These two interiors look dang near the same. One has a faux stick shifter versus a dial. Big deal. You could randomize which was the EV and which was the ICE and I'd have no clue.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

dalyons wrote: post #448
jandrewrogers wrote: post #421

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The Rivian has pretty limited range. The Scout looks promising though. People out in the ranch country, oil patch, some mining areas, etc often want a reliable 600-ish miles unloaded. That’s why extended fuel tanks are a common option. Even without an extended fuel tank, you can often achieve that with an ICE and a jerry can. EVs have great potential as 4WD off-road vehicles. In a lot of ways they are more naturally…

i was assuming the person i was responding to was talking about recreational offroading, not ranching, oiling or mining in the middle of nowhere. A max pack rivian has a 400ml range, which is plenty for the vast majority of recreational adventures.

Holy hell, that's 640ish km, that's plenty - and yep, I'm not from a large continental country, 640 gets me to the other side of my island and 2.5 times, and to the northern or southern end once.

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Post by Marsymars »

cogman10 wrote: post #107
nixonpjoshua wrote: post #90

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I agree EREVs make a lot of sense, electric first but not requiring a full commitment, especially for a truck that sometimes has to do things like towing. https://insideevs.com/news/777407/scout-motors-erev-reservas... I'm sure this wasn't lost on Ford, 80% of Scout reservations come with the EREV and only 20% BEV. Maybe one day they will have enough volume in the segment to justify making the pure BEV version again…

The problem with EREVs is they are more complex than a BEV. More parts to go wrong, to purchase, and ultimately a (potentially) higher price. The reason to do EREVs for a manufacture is, IMO, primarily because they can't get a hold of batteries for a cheap enough price. And I think that's the weakness of the way Ford has attacked EVs. They haven't (AFAIK) really built out battery plants. As a result, they are at the…

Even if batteries were very cheap, you run into scaling issues where your battery pack ends up very heavy, so then you're using increasingly more energy to lug your heavier battery back around for everything that isn't long-range towing.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ssl-3 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #489
ssl-3 wrote: post #468

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When I was a kid, a normal-sized American adult could open up a bed-width toolbox, look down inside of it, and easily remove a few bags of groceries before re-closing the lid -- all while standing flat-footed on the ground beside their normal-sized American truck. Things are not that way anymore; trucks got bigger. The top of the bed rail of an F150 Lightning is around chin height for a lot of folks: https://imgur.co…

I don’t think a F150 lightning is wider than a 1985 Silverado.

It's not the width that's a problem, but the height.

Here's a brochure for the first-year F-150 (1984): https://xr793.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1984-Ford-F-Ser...

Have a look at some of the pictures that have people standing next to the truck.

They'd be giants if they were able to have that kind of posture next to a modern F150.

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Post by aydyn »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #263
ecshafer wrote: post #189

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Ford announced the Maverick, it got so much excitement that it sold out and dealerships sold for over MSRP. So in their infinite wisdom they... didn't make more mid range trucks. Ill never understand these guys.

The idea is that you make more profit selling 50,000 cheap trucks and 50,000 expensive trucks than just 100,000 cheap trucks. When you can fool a largely innumerate populace into 84-month loans with "cheap" monthly payments, overpriced vehicles are the way to go.

Competition? Its not like ford is the only seller out there.

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Post by Marsymars »

dyauspitr wrote: post #140
happyopossum wrote: post #109

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Most campgrounds I’ve seen here (Northern California) explicitly say you can’t charge your EV in RV spots.

Ah, maybe they’re catching on then. I haven’t run across one yet.

It's less a matter of "catching on" here, and more that if they get too many EV chargers in campground spots, breakers start tripping.
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