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Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by solarkraft »

I like Umbrel’s technical approach: Its apps are just docker compose files with a little extra, making it very easy to support. The UI layer is Next JS, which gives tight coupling with the backend (so good state sync).

I also like their marketing approach: They really have a nice app store and a nice page for each app.

I did not like the reliability around app installations and the disappointment that it’s actually quite proprietary.

I wish there was a standard „server app“ format similar to what Umbrel uses with a strong ecosystem and multiple solutions. It‘s a key missing piece to self hosting stuff, IMO.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#72

Post by learningmore »

solarkraft wrote: post #71

I like Umbrel’s technical approach: Its apps are just docker compose files with a little extra, making it very easy to support. The UI layer is Next JS, which gives tight coupling with the backend (so good state sync). I also like their marketing approach: They really have a nice app store and a nice page for each app. I did not like the reliability around app installations and the disappointment that it’s actually q…

Nice breakdown.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#73

Post by krick »

Cool, but honestly I always end up regretting another device that is not just plain "non user-firendly" Linux. First you buy Synology because it's just quick and easy to set-up, and "I'll figure the rest later". But when time comes to figure the rest out, it's just so unreasonably inconvenient. In theory, it is just Linux, and DSM is just for convenience, and there are special packages intended to use Docker and install stuff and all, but there are so many "user-friendly improvements" on top of that, that I get tired even just thinking about all the hoops I have to jump to do something super-simple and end up choosing some another device for all tasks that theoretically would be a good fit for my NAS to perform. The only good thing is hot-swap and automatic volume rebuild, that is super convenient. But, honestly, are these 2 minutes of convenience worth the rest? I don't know.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#74

Post by evil-olive »

linsomniac wrote: post #70
nacs wrote: post #6

Looks like they're selling an N150 based "Mini PC" for $500. You can get a very similar 16GB RAM, 1TB storage Minipc in the same form factor from Amazon for around $260 so looks like you're paying almost twice the price for the NAS-type software?

>You can get a very similar 16GB RAM, 1TB storage Minipc in the same form factor from Amazon for around $260 Not apples/apples, it looks like the Umbrel at $500 comes with 4TB, you're pricing out a 1TB above. A bare Samsung 990EVO 4TB is $328, on a straight $/TB that's an extra $246 putting your total build more like $500.

nope, it's "starts at $499" with "up to 4TB" of storage

if you click "Buy Now" and then...click "Buy Now" again, that takes you to the actual pricing. $500 for 1TB, or 4TB for $800.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#76

Post by adastra22 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

Have things changed drastically? I have an Umbrel instance running on an x86 server at home. When I installed it, it was fully open source, open API, and free.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#77

Post by singpolyma3 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

In what way is the proprietary? It looks to be just a PC box running OSS apps?

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by mikalauskas »

bastawhiz wrote: post #64

I am uninterested in purchasing proprietary hardware running a proprietary operating system that'll work (maybe) for some amount of time. Sure, it's technically self hosted. But you can't extend it (without their proprietary app store). It doesn't seem like you can write your own apps without registering, or side load them. Details are extremely thin on the site, so let me know if I'm wrong. Hell, all the compelling…

This reads like a laundry list of assumptions rather than facts

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#79

Post by metalliqaz »

doubled112 wrote: post #41
stronglikedan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems a lot easier for the average consumer.

Does it? Half of the IT team I am on is seemingly incapable of understanding using a public/private keypair for SSH logins. Can I use yours? How to copy them? Should they be unique per user? Should I email the private key? Etc?

I believe grandparent post was referring to Umbrel as easier than SSH

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by usrbingo »

Computer0 wrote: post #68

I must be missing something but $500 for an N150 mini PC pre-loaded with a 4tb nas and a custom OS is a terrible value proposition. And I have multiple form factor N1xx based machines running 24/7, so this is the exact type of thing I would be interested in. Could it have been priced in a more compelling manner without the NVME?

but when you click to purchase, you’ll find that $499 only gets you 1TB.
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