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Sick of smart TVs? Here are your best options

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Deep blacks, smooth motion, wide viewing angle. Most people would say OLEDs are better, but some still say the motion is smoother on plasmas.

What about their energy consumption? Aren’t they much hungrier?

Power hungry and heavy as hell. I had a 55” plasma that weighed about 150lb with the base.

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The one-click method has been patched, but there are other methods that will work if you haven't been religiously updating your TV: [0] https://github.com/throwaway96/dejavuln-autoroot [1] https://github.com/throwaway96/faultmanager-autoroot

Religiously updating my TV? It has been patched since spring, someone clicking by accident "yes" for the update notice that appears randomly on the middle of the screen in the past 9 months would ruin it. I was religously *not* updating my TV and it still got too new software for the exploit :')

My tv has never nor will ever touch the internet so problem solved re: updates.

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HDMI CEC should be able to to turn on TVs direct to the input. Sadly few desktops seem to support it.

Apparently "almost no PC GPU has hardware support for CEC" according to Arch. Wonder if that is outdated and modern GPUs do? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDMI-CEC

This is still pretty much the case. There are ways to do it (i.e. adapters that sit between your HDMI cable and GPU) but it’s wonky.

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Well, you can make it a PC and then turn it off, I guess. Then let the rest of us have all the fun.

It sounds like you still want a smart TV, just with control. Which is fine. But for many people, we just want a monitor, maybe with speakers (I personally am fine also separating this). I prefer separation of concerns — if I want to attach a computer to my TV, I’ll do that as a search device. Why have a dependency on the TV hardware, when I can attach upgradable parts?

A monitor has a processor in it that is running an OS and software. These are digital devices. The nit you're picking is silly.

If you want to buy a bare LCD panel, they're cheap. But you're going to have to add a processor to it that runs an OS (which you're free to write yourself, along with the driver) in order for it to understand any input. All that slapped together is what we call a monitor, or a television.

If you want an analog television, they'll pay you to haul it off from wherever you see it, but you're going to have to add an external computer to it in order to process the digital information that you want to display into waveforms that you can push over coaxial cables.

Not wanting a "smart tv" means people don't want a smartphone for a television, an OS that they don't have any control over. If you want to make up another definition, you're going to have to set limits to acceptable RAM, clock speed, number of processors, and I don't know why you would waste your time doing that. The number, however, will never be zero for any of these things.

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I’ve been pretty happy with the smart apps on my LG OLED; it’s got the streaming things I want including jellyfin. Really the only one missing is steam link.

Have you tried moonlight? An alternative to steam link. You can use install it on the lg tv by sideloading the app. Alternatively, you can plug in a Raspberry Pi that runs steam link :)

Oh yeah I’m aware of various “plug in a thing” options, just thinking it wild be nice to have to, particularly if a single controller paired to the TV itself could operate the outer shell as well as Xbox and steam streaming.

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Why wouldn't you want it to be a computer? Then it can be connected to your devices AND also do the job itself in a situation where it's awkward to connect to a device. If already needs a computer in it to drive menus / modern display protocols. Having that computer be powerful enough to also decode content is barely an extra cost.

A rooted piece of trashy IOT is trashy IOT. It's an acquired taste, the excitement of putting a black box insecure linux device on the home network to add to your home infra admin duties.

A rooted computer is the opposite of a black box. This makes no sense.

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As a Plex user I'd recommend a used last-gen game console as a TV source. In my AV room upstairs I've had an XBOX ONE S for a long time and more recently I got a PS4 Pro for the spare room downstairs -- both at Gamestop. I have some games for both of them but I am more likely to game on Steam, Steam Deck or mobile. Every Android-based media player I've had tried just plain sucks, the NVIDIA Shield wasn't too bad but…

Seconded. I've been doing a game console with monitor or dumb-TV for ages (PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim, PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, PS5 Slim).

I also use this for occasional gaming, or I would've stuck with the PS3 Slim or PS4 Slim. Both of which would mount pretty nicely, with a VESA bracket, to the back of a pre-smart formerly top-of-the-line 1080p Sony Bravia TV (like I use currently with the PS5 Slim).

Were I not in minimalism culling mode of personal belongings right now (in case the current job search moves me cross-country), I'd be stockpiling a backup or two of this workhorse dumb-TV.

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Why wouldn't you want it to be a computer? Then it can be connected to your devices AND also do the job itself in a situation where it's awkward to connect to a device. If already needs a computer in it to drive menus / modern display protocols. Having that computer be powerful enough to also decode content is barely an extra cost.

> Why wouldn't you want it to be a computer? Because I can then easily upgrade my computer without upgrading my TV.

Do you have to upgrade your computer when you upgrade your router?

This entire subthread is not computer-literate. Your monitor contains a computer. A dumb display contains a computer. Your keyboard contains a computer.

You can strip the software down on them so they do nothing but take commands and drive whatever electronics you have attached to them, but it will still be software on a computer. If there's a lot of RAM and a fat processor, like on a rooted smart TV, I might (but not necessarily) make it do a little more than that.

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Unfortunately, Torvalds supported tivoization: https://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/13/289

It's not that simple. In the email you have linked to, he does not support tivoization. He simply says that he finds the term offensive (which is really funny coming from him). Torvalds has also publicly stated that he doesn't think that tivoization benefits users, but it's not his battle to fight. More info on that topic can be found in the linked YT (linked at the precise time he is answering the question about tiv…

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