Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
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Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
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#2I like the idea and encourage software workers unions. Is there an umbrella union that they can belong to? How effective are these new unions? I imagine these new tech unions don't have the same "shop floor" power as in industry. Why is this?
Perhaps generally the ideals the new unions are advocating for are different than traditional ones?
Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
#3I like the idea and encourage software workers unions. Is there an umbrella union that they can belong to? How effective are these new unions? I imagine these new tech unions don't have the same "shop floor" power as in industry. Why is this? Perhaps generally the ideals the new unions are advocating for are different than traditional ones?
If you want that, you’d have to negotiate for it, and now doesn’t seem like a great time.
But given the continual decrease in job stability in tech, perhaps we’re headed toward more of a Hollywood model, where the skilled workers are nearly all free-lance and project-based, and have powerful unions with such provisions industry-wide.
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#4Article is thin on details and full of changing adverts that scroll you up and down whilst reading (on mobile).
Annoying.
Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
#5I like the idea and encourage software workers unions. Is there an umbrella union that they can belong to? How effective are these new unions? I imagine these new tech unions don't have the same "shop floor" power as in industry. Why is this? Perhaps generally the ideals the new unions are advocating for are different than traditional ones?
If you want that, you’d have to negotiate for it, and now doesn’t seem like a great time. But given the continual decrease in job stability in tech, perhaps we’re headed toward more of a Hollywood model, where the skilled workers are nearly all free-lance and project-based, and have powerful unions with such provisions industry-wide.
> If you want that, you’d have to negotiate for it, and now doesn’t seem like a great time.
Software engineers can be pretty foolish. When we had more power, unions were unpopular because too many imbibed some libertarian propaganda, looked at their high salaries, and decided to cosplay as bosses. Now that power is slipping away, and will slip away faster because we did little to preserve it to our determent.
Also the technology union people were dumb, seemed to focus more on hot-button political activism than worker power, and thus undermined their own project. IMHO, a union should be monomanically about representing worker interests and stay far away from any other kind of issue, because controversy around those issues allows the bosses to divide-and-conquer the union.
Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
#6I like the idea and encourage software workers unions. Is there an umbrella union that they can belong to? How effective are these new unions? I imagine these new tech unions don't have the same "shop floor" power as in industry. Why is this? Perhaps generally the ideals the new unions are advocating for are different than traditional ones?
With a factory, the owner has to deal with the cost of all the late or canceled deliveries. With farms, the crops wither on the vines.
There's not really an equivalent with most service industries. Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running.
Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
#7I like the idea and encourage software workers unions. Is there an umbrella union that they can belong to? How effective are these new unions? I imagine these new tech unions don't have the same "shop floor" power as in industry. Why is this? Perhaps generally the ideals the new unions are advocating for are different than traditional ones?
With a factory, the owner has to deal with the cost of all the late or canceled deliveries. With farms, the crops wither on the vines. There's not really an equivalent with most service industries. Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running.
"Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running."
Can you tell me where you work, and are you hiring???
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
With a factory, the owner has to deal with the cost of all the late or canceled deliveries. With farms, the crops wither on the vines. There's not really an equivalent with most service industries. Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running.
"Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running." Can you tell me where you work, and are you hiring???
Their ops teams are probably ground into dust.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want that, you’d have to negotiate for it, and now doesn’t seem like a great time. But given the continual decrease in job stability in tech, perhaps we’re headed toward more of a Hollywood model, where the skilled workers are nearly all free-lance and project-based, and have powerful unions with such provisions industry-wide.
> If you want that, you’d have to negotiate for it, and now doesn’t seem like a great time. Software engineers can be pretty foolish. When we had more power, unions were unpopular because too many imbibed some libertarian propaganda, looked at their high salaries, and decided to cosplay as bosses. Now that power is slipping away, and will slip away faster because we did little to preserve it to our determent . Also t…
But how do you actually bootstrap that process?
Look at bandcamp. They unionized successfully. Then the company got sold (again), and everyone but the union leaders (and prominent members) got job offers from the new parent company. Basically got reverse-fired.
I still suspect part of the reason Epic sold them is to ninja-bust the union (or at least get it out of the way).
Re: Id Software devs form "wall-to-wall" union
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
With a factory, the owner has to deal with the cost of all the late or canceled deliveries. With farms, the crops wither on the vines. There's not really an equivalent with most service industries. Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running.
"Software engineers don't even need to be around for the programs to keep running." Can you tell me where you work, and are you hiring???
Didn’t twitter get 3/4 people laid off? Seems to still work as of time of writing (x.com).