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Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by throwaway2037 »

First, this is a massive accomplishment. When I looked at the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koralm_Railway

... it looks like a multi-multi-multi-phase project. Hats off to making this work.

Second, I noticed how long it took to build this tunnel: Koralm Tunnel -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koralm_Tunnel

It is 33km, and it took from 2008 to 2025 to build it. That is a damn long time! The Toei Oedo line in Tokyo is 40+km and was built in about 10 years. My guess about the wild difference: The geoengineering of the Koralm Tunnel is way more complex, and/or the rock is much harder. Can anyone with experience in this area comment? I would like to learn more. I guess that most of central Tokyo is aluvial plains (Shanghai is similar), so you are basically digging through clay and sand -- easy stuff for modern tunnel boring machines.

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Post by brnt »

saubeidl wrote: post #7

I know its a small nitpick, but I got unreasonably annoyed at the two "Financed by EU fund x" banners having different flag sizes, paddings, fonts etc. How is there no unifying design language for these?

Is there any design? It's just the flag and a title + subtitle.

Also, the EU is the most efficient government in terms of overhead, and having seen some of it up close not wasting time or money on "unifying design languages" for every single funding billboard is very much EU style. Just copy-paste by some local authority in Powerpoint in most cases, I bet.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

saubeidl wrote: post #7

I know its a small nitpick, but I got unreasonably annoyed at the two "Financed by EU fund x" banners having different flag sizes, paddings, fonts etc. How is there no unifying design language for these?

Do you mean these two?

https://image-service.web.oebb.at/infra/.imaging/default/dam...

https://image-service.web.oebb.at/infra/.imaging/default/dam...

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by franciscop »

fzeindl wrote: post #6
franciscop wrote: post #4

This headline is a bit odd and doesn't represent the original title nor article content. What does "within budget" mean here? That it costed what the original budget set out to cost? Couldn't find anything related to the budget within the article.

It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pandemic and later addition of sections.

Sure, I'm just pointing out that this article doesn't follow the HN Guidelines, so I was confused at not seeing any mention of the budget within the article:

> "Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important."

> "Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize"

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by fzeindl »

franciscop wrote: post #14
fzeindl wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pandemic and later addition of sections.

Sure, I'm just pointing out that this article doesn't follow the HN Guidelines, so I was confused at not seeing any mention of the budget within the article: > "Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important." > "Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misl…

Agreed, it was just important to me to point it out, since staying within such a massive budget on such a long timeline is a rare achievement.

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Post by oniony »

fzeindl wrote: post #6
franciscop wrote: post #4

This headline is a bit odd and doesn't represent the original title nor article content. What does "within budget" mean here? That it costed what the original budget set out to cost? Couldn't find anything related to the budget within the article.

It is mostly within budget, estimated in 2005 were 5.5 billion €, total cost as of today are 5.9 billion €, the difference being largely attributed to the pandemic and later addition of sections.

To contrast, HS2 here in the UK has cost £40 billion (€45 billion) to date with a further £25 billion (€28 billion) allocated, for a largely superterranean route of 230km.

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Post by tomw1808 »

roflmaostc wrote: post #2

In case you wonder, the Koralm Tunnel has a length of 32.9km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koralm_Tunnel

"The Koralm Tunnel opened on the 14th of December 2025" ... wikipedia living in the future past :)

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Post by roflmaostc »

tomw1808 wrote: post #18
roflmaostc wrote: post #2

In case you wonder, the Koralm Tunnel has a length of 32.9km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koralm_Tunnel

"The Koralm Tunnel opened on the 14th of December 2025" ... wikipedia living in the future past :)

Haha, check who updated this article. Only afterwards I realized we're not past the 14th yet...

Re: Koralm Railway

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Post by bigbinary »

fzeindl wrote: post #15
franciscop wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I'm just pointing out that this article doesn't follow the HN Guidelines, so I was confused at not seeing any mention of the budget within the article: > "Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's important." > "Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misl…

Agreed, it was just important to me to point it out, since staying within such a massive budget on such a long timeline is a rare achievement.

Considering the original title is just the name of the railway, and I do not think “within budget” is editorializing, I think the commenter is being overly pedantic
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