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Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #57
jorvi wrote: post #31

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I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude…

Plasma/KDE's virtual desktops are working for me, as 3x3, 4x4 would be too small in the widget which shows in the 'taskbar', which is only 24 pixels high, here. Took me some time and asking in their irc-channel, but actually the basic setup is super-simple, and was too 'intuitive' for an old greybeard like me :-) You right-click on the launcher icon, or the systray and " Add or Manage Widgets ", then a window appears…

Edit: Actually the most logic sequence of things to configure would be to first go into System Settings -> Window Management -> Virtual Desktops and configure how much of them you want, and how they should be arranged.

Then activate and position the Pager like I described above, and after that how it presents them.

Nonetheless I'm thinking that could be more integrated, and the pager could be larger, when howering the mouse pointer over it.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by leephillips »

baobun wrote: post #45
criddell wrote: post #28

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What's been your favorite? I wasted too much time tweaking Enlightenment. I remember that was fun but I don't really remember much about actually using it. OS/2's Workplace Shell feels like the biggest lost opportunity (and has nothing to do with UNIXy stuff). I really liked Rexx and the SOM stuff felt cleaner than what became COM in Windows.

Some underappreciated and forgotten tiling wms that are still viable today: - ratpoison ("tmux for X11". Ultralight, great for kiosks and similar where you barely want a WM at all) - stumpwm (ratpoison on steroids in Lisp) - Xmonad (A bit different tiling dynamic that some prefer. I dig it despite Haskell, not because of it) - Qtile (Very flexible and easily hackable in python yet reasonably stable and fast. You can…

And the one I use and love: DWM.

(which I use on top of Pop!_OS, oddly enough).

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by johannesrexx »

bxparks wrote: post #43
jorvi wrote: post #31

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I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude…

I'm not familiar with the Gnome terminologies. Is Overview the one where they removed all the desktop icons, breaking 40 years of GUI conventions going back to the 1970s? (It's impossible to do a search on a product called "Overview".) I blew away Gnome after that, installed Mint MATE (now Cinnamon), and vowed to never touch Gnome again.

We put a beautiful wallpaper on the Desktop. Ahhhh.

Along comes a Luddite and puts icons on it, totally ruining its beauty. For fsck's sake! Just No.

Thankfully, along comes GNOME and it just says No.

I agree.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by throwaway888666 »

mghackerlady wrote: post #37
criddell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's been your favorite? I wasted too much time tweaking Enlightenment. I remember that was fun but I don't really remember much about actually using it. OS/2's Workplace Shell feels like the biggest lost opportunity (and has nothing to do with UNIXy stuff). I really liked Rexx and the SOM stuff felt cleaner than what became COM in Windows.

Enlightenment still exists and works well, I just wish more apps were written around EFL so themes were easier

Enlightenment? Nothing beats the bodhi moksha desktop https://www.bodhilinux.com/moksha-desktop/

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by johannesrexx »

kwanbix wrote: post #30

I tried it because another_linux_distro! Sadly, I found the COSMIC dock looks "dead" since they can not implement the genie effect as it is patented by Apple ://///////// EDIT: I refer to this effect: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eOrvbaKz5H4 It is called magnification effect.

[The Plank](https://github.com/zquestz/plank-reloaded) has the Genie effect, but it only works for Xorg.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by bigyabai »

physicles wrote: post #62
sharms wrote: post #29

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Yes they have an Nvidia image and I just used it on a 5080 last weekend, worked perfect

Piggybacking on this… do all nvidia cards have the same issue with Linux drivers, where the fan won’t ever go below 30%? I have a 3090 on Ubuntu 24 and hours of googling netted nothing that worked.

That might just be your card idling at a hot temperature; my 3070 Ti is idling with 0% fan according to nvtop and LACT both.

Install GWE or Lact and you should be able to tweak the fan curves manually from Linux.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by sho_hn »

jorvi wrote: post #31
tmtvl wrote: post #23

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I hard bounced off COSMIC with the complete lack of theming. I can't even set my clock to a reasonable format in it. The only thing it has going for it is sane multi-monitor support, which neither KDE nor GNOME have gotten right so far (though at KDE there is some activity around it, dunno 'bout GNOME).

I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude…

> Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong."

I don't think this is true. Speaking as an upstream dev, we've never been very happy with Activities, either.

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/issues/35

Clearly you've had some interaction that upset you and I apologize for that, but I've never come across any Plasma dev who felt we nailed that one (and I wrote large parts of the panels, the menu, the icon desktop, etc.) I was genuinely surprised by your comment.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by criddell »

jsk2600 wrote: post #55
criddell wrote: post #48

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I'm not super familiar with the history of GNOME, KDE, or COSMIC and I've never used COSMIC and I haven't been able to see into their app store to see what apps are available. The version of Chrome (for example) that Google distributes uses GTK which is GNOME, no? So I was wondering if System76 forked that and made a version that uses the COSMIC API.

You do not need to have GNOME in order to run GTK apps - Pop_OS ships with GTK/QT libraries so all apps works as on Ubuntu.

Who wants to run multiple widget sets though? You lose any semblance of your system having a native look and feel.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by bxparks »

johannesrexx wrote: post #73
bxparks wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with the Gnome terminologies. Is Overview the one where they removed all the desktop icons, breaking 40 years of GUI conventions going back to the 1970s? (It's impossible to do a search on a product called "Overview".) I blew away Gnome after that, installed Mint MATE (now Cinnamon), and vowed to never touch Gnome again.

We put a beautiful wallpaper on the Desktop. Ahhhh. Along comes a Luddite and puts icons on it, totally ruining its beauty. For fsck's sake! Just No. Thankfully, along comes GNOME and it just says No. I agree.

If you want a pristine desktop, don't put icons there. If I want to put icons on my desktop, it's none of your f'ing business.

Re: Pop_OS 24.04 LTS with COSMIC desktop environment

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Post by bxparks »

jorvi wrote: post #50
bxparks wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with the Gnome terminologies. Is Overview the one where they removed all the desktop icons, breaking 40 years of GUI conventions going back to the 1970s? (It's impossible to do a search on a product called "Overview".) I blew away Gnome after that, installed Mint MATE (now Cinnamon), and vowed to never touch Gnome again.

Overview is when you press the Super ('Windows') key. What appears is an unholy amalgamation of a launcher, a workspace strip, a window overview, workspace peeking, and a dock. Worse yet is that every time you go in or out of this overview, an animation plays, making things fly and animate everywhere constantly, whenever you want to take any action. Whenever someone points out to Gnome developers that most people onl…

Sounds awful. Luckily we still have other options. I hope I never have to use GNOME again.
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