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Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what you mean is that an uncritical reading of Snowden's smuggled powerpoints can be compatible with Grand Unified Conspiracy thinking that was promoted and advanced by 90s media like Enemy of the State and The X-Files. But compatibility is not truth. These things are all pretty unhinged and with little basis in reality.

Imagine actually believing all this in 2025.

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Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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How can Snowdon possibly feel as the international situation changes so totally since he fled? It boggles the mind.

Why isn't Russia torturing him to get all the secrets out of him?

There already did? And or little to get since he didn't memorize secrets and most--if not all--his digital copies were given to the press?

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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How can Snowdon possibly feel as the international situation changes so totally since he fled? It boggles the mind.

Why isn't Russia torturing him to get all the secrets out of him?

Because they already had everything he could provide and the embarrassment weights far more then some tiny details they could get by torturing him.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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How can Snowdon possibly feel as the international situation changes so totally since he fled? It boggles the mind.

Why isn't Russia torturing him to get all the secrets out of him?

Because real life is not a Bond movie where the first thing that happens is a British actor with a bad Russian accent starts torturing you like in Goldfinger.

Plus, as the US has found out, torture has been proven a bad way to get the truth out of people, since under duress people will admit and say anything just to make the pain stop, even if they're innocent and have no valuable information.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't Russia torturing him to get all the secrets out of him?

There already did? And or little to get since he didn't memorize secrets and most--if not all--his digital copies were given to the press?

That sort of thing doesn't stay hidden these days. Especially someone like Snowden who has a hundred friends who are human rights lawyers.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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post #9

How can Snowdon possibly feel as the international situation changes so totally since he fled? It boggles the mind.

Probably, that he did the right thing at the right time.

I hope he's still not deluding himself into thinking he did anything positive.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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post #11

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We saw plenty, but nobody cared. Let's see how that works out for us in the long run.

People forget. Easily. Just bombard their brains with something else and everything is fine.

Reminds me of the 49s mark of the first song on Dispepsi by Negativland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyDL1I6D8Hg&list=OLAK5uy_lGC...

"You can actually cause the consumer to forget something he has previously learned... by putting into his head a newer and stronger concept... You can actually remove an advertising story from his memory, and in it's place you can substitute one of your own... as we seize a larger and larger share of the consumer's brain box..."

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what you mean is that an uncritical reading of Snowden's smuggled powerpoints can be compatible with Grand Unified Conspiracy thinking that was promoted and advanced by 90s media like Enemy of the State and The X-Files. But compatibility is not truth. These things are all pretty unhinged and with little basis in reality.

Imagine actually believing all this in 2025.

As far as US persons are concerned, jeffbee is correct that the Snowden leaks are not compatible with the conspiratorial worldview represented by Enemy of the State or the X-Files. The Snowden docs showed things like if two people outside the US were discussing US politics and they mentioned Obama, then the name "Obama" would be redacted because he was a US person. The redaction of US personal info was not perfect but the situation was a very, very long way off from unchecked surveillance and assassination of US persons that was depicted in those films.

Re: Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1

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If you've ever watched the movie "Enemy of the State", which came out in 1998, I don't know how you can come away from that movie thinking anything other than someone in that script writing pipeline had some insider knowledge of what was happening. So many of the things they talk about in the film were confirmed by the Snowden releases that it's kinda scary. Today, it's almost a national societal resignation that "yo…

I wrote my dissertation on information privacy back in 2003. Post 9/11, privacy was WILDLY unpopular thanks to government propaganda. It's never recovered. I walk around all the time thinking about how we are so close to what East Germans had to deal with, it's just soft glove tyranny here .

i.e. The movie "The lives of others." :|
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