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Re: GPT-5.2

#171
It's becoming challenging to really evaluate models.

The amount of intelligence that you can display within a single prompt, the riddles, the puzzles, they've all been solved or are mostly trivial to reasoners.

Now you have to drive a model for a few days to really get a decent understanding of how good it really is. In my experience, while Sonnet/Opus may not have always been leading on benchmarks, they have always *felt* the best to me, but it's hard to put into words why exactly I feel that way, but I can just feel it.

The way you can just feel when someone you're having a conversation with is deeply understanding you, somewhat understanding you, or maybe not understanding at all. But you don't have a quantifiable metric for this.

This is a strange, weird territory, and I don't know the path forward. We know we're definitely not at AGI.

And we know if you use these models for long-horizon tasks they fail at some point and just go off the rails.

I've tried using Codex with max reasoning for doing PRs and gotten laughable results too many times, but Codex with Max reasoning is apparently near-SOTA on code. And to be fair, Claude Code/Opus is also sometimes equally as bad at doing these types of "implement idea in big codebase, make changes too many files, still pass tests" type of tasks.

Is the solution that we start to evaluate LLMs on more long-horizon tasks? I think to some degree this was the spirit of SWE Verified right? But even that is being saturated now.

Re: GPT-5.2

#173
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, the point we wanted to make here is that GPT-5.2's vision is better, not perfect. Cherrypicking a perfect output would actually mislead readers, and that wasn't our intent.

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Not sure what you mean, Altman does that fake-humility thing all the time.

It's a marketing trick; show honesty in areas that don't have much business impact so the public will trust you when you stretch the truth in areas that do (AGI cough).

Re: GPT-5.2

#174
This is also the exact on-the-day 10th anniversary of openai's creation incidentally

Re: GPT-5.2

#175
In other news, been using Devstral 2 (Ollama) with OpenCode, and while it's not as good as Claude Code, my initial sense it that it's nonetheless good enough and doesn't require me to send my data off my laptop.

I kind of wonder how close we are to alternative (not from a major AI lab) models being good enough for a lot of productive work and data sovereignty being the deciding factor.

Re: GPT-5.2

#176

Wish they would include or leak more info about what this is, exactly. 5.1 was just released, yet they are claiming big improvements (on benchmarks, obviously). Did they purposely not release the best they had to keep some cards to play in case of Gemini 3 success or is this a tweak to use more time/tokens to get better output, or what?

My guess is they develop multiple models in parallel.

Re: GPT-5.2

#177

Slight increase in model cost, but looks like benefits across the board to match. gpt-5.2 $1.75 $0.175 $14.00 gpt-5.1 $1.25 $0.125 $10.00

In particular, the API pricing for GPT-5.2 Pro has me wondering what on earth the possible market for that model is beyond getting to claim a couple of percent higher benchmark performance in press releases. >Input: >$21.00 / 1M tokens >Output: >$168.00 / 1M tokens That's the most "don't use this" pricing I've seen on a model. https://openai.com/api/pricing/

Last year o3 high did 88% on ARC-AGI 1 at more than $4,000/task. This model at its X high configuration scores 90.5% at just $11,64 per task.

General intelligence has ridiculously gotten less expensive. I don't know if it's because of compute and energy abundance,or attention mechanisms improving in efficiency or both but we have to acknowledge the bigger picture and relative prices.

Re: GPT-5.2

#179

They used to compare to competing models from Anthropic, Google DeepMind, DeepSeek, etc. Seems that now they only compare to their own models. Does this mean that the GPT-series is performing worse than its competitors (given the "code red" at OpenAI)?

They did compare it to other models: https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1999182104362668275 https://i.imgur.com/e0iB8KC.png

This looks cherry-picked, for example Claude Opus had a higher score on SWE-Bench Verified so they conveniently left it out, also GDPval is literally a benchmark made by OpenAI
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